"For example, Animals Australia says that killing animals without stunning is illegal under federal laws

Is this meant to be an example of 'good' information?

PALEIF: "In the mean time does anybody remember Jolandas thread about all the local shops suddenly selling Halal."

Yes, that was hilarious. As I recall, it descended into some preposterous claims about people being secretly fed another religion, humanely killed donuts, or some other such nonsense.

Freediver,
"Is this meant to be an example of 'good' information? "

Why, do you have information that contradicts this? I'd be interested to know if you can post a link.

If it's a fact that killing without stunning is illegal, then yes I would call facts good information.
What would you call it- false information?

I kill animals all the time without stunning them. I know plenty of other people that do also, across a wide variety of animals. I seriously doubt that that is the law.

Good Evening everyone.
Firstly reply to PF.

PF said
– :"I hope you don’t believe for one minute that Halal is available from so many outlets because retailers believe it is a humane method of slaughter?"

PALE replies . No its because its in demand.
Halal isnt a choice if you are a Muslim.
They actually believe its a "crime to eat meat not slaughtered in Halal fashion".[ Haram]unlawful. It is something instilled in you and your family before for thousands of years.
I cant even think of a crime by comparison in our daily laws- because we are free to choose and eat as we want.
They are not. It has nothing to do with Animal Welfare. If its not blessed by Allah you may "not" eat it.
You dont even think about it.

PF said-
No, most of those retailers are simply trying to cash in on Halal and draw in more customers and probably charge a premium for the meat as well.

PALE replies- No thats not it either. Halal is in short supply and very much in demand. Muslims sell Halal and its not possible to have a bit of both[ especially side by side]

That would be a sin in the eyes of Allah.You may not use any cooking products or that are not Halal either- In anything. You MUST look for a Halal fast food shop or restuant if you want to eat out.
If you put it like that its a ready made market really and one must consider if nothing else Mohamed must have been a clever business man.
Next time your out take a moment to observe people walking up to the store and looking for the Halal certification certificate on the wall before they order.
Just think if the Catholics had throught to make a pilgrimage to the Church in Sydney once a year.
I am not trying to offend anybody. I know from personal experience that many Muslim people are good hard working people who have overcome impossible odds to make a new home for themselves in the West.

Celiva

Cetainly. I will put up a couple of links next post. I had them but I have a problem with my computer right now.
We enjoyed your informative posts.

Feedriver. Yes of course its good information. The public need to know what is and isnt legal. Of course the next question the public will ask is\
- Well if its illegal who is turning a Blind Eye- and Why?

Morgan- There was nothing wrong with Jolandas thread except she had difficulty expressing her feelings.
She was saying she had a right to know if a product was slaughtered and marketed by any religious demands. She wanted to be informed and given a choice.
It was more about her rights than animal welfare however the message was the same.

Feedriver. I take it you are in the country.
Do you slaughter your own sheep and beef.
What do you think is the kindest manner?

What I do know is if the Government give approval to Muslim abattoirs not to pre stun then as Halal is advertised on the wall "all food outlets must be"!.
People have a "right' to know what they are buying and eating.
Its as simple as that.
Every single product must be labelled and every food outlet must be clearly signed.
There are thirteen Islamic Councils in Australia. Leaders come and go. Eventually it will be the young Muslims that want to move forward and they will insist on pre stunning.
I should think they will get a lot of support from many of the ordinary Australians and all of the Animal Welfare groups.
In the long run I dont feel this is a smart move.

Dr Wirth of RSPCA has already said it is not exceptable and they were lied to. JAKIM were quiet happy to look at gas stunning but somebody decided to take the easy road.
The old saying- The easiest way in the begining is the hardest way in the end.
Or perhaps- United we stand.
Divided we fall.