Continued-
It seems AFIC are not to respect our MOU despite now having a new President.
What Muslim people need as you freely agreed to at our meeting is some good
publicity and an opportunity to show they can work well with main stream
Australian companies and the general public.
This is another example of what our organisation has already experienced
with AFIC and the meeting we held with delegates in Brisbane only to be cut
out of the loop later after providing the initial contact.
AFIC several years ago have already received a letter from our lawyers in
regard to this behaviour when we were working with Amjad.

May I say I would have thought the opportunity to work on this project with
us might have far outweighed the repair of a roof of a Mosque.
Well may you say Ikabel there is no proof that not pre stunning is any more
cruel than pre stunning? I can assure you there is a great difference and
as Muslims have excepted pre stunning I can not understand why you would
agree to go back to pre historic times.
George and his family operated and owned abattoirs for years and Tom as I
said had has thirty five years of knowlegde .
The difference is- And I have personally seen it- Not using a pre stun the
animal stuggles for breath while having the blood drained out of it while
still alive and conscious. As opposed to the pre stunning where the animal
is rendered unconscious.


I would ask you to remove us from your web page and of course consider our
MOU at an end.
It is with regret you chose not to work with us however you leave us without
any other choice. On a personal note to you Ikabel I am extremely surprised
and very disappointed.

Regards
Wendy Lewthwaite

Hmmm, I think this is an issue of internal Islamic politics. What
is really halal or not, is open to religious interpretation by
various Islamic scholars. I think Wendy is mistaken in her belief
as to how much local Islamic leaders matter. They don't, for
Islam is unlike the Catholic Church, with one supreme ruler.
There are many schools, many interpretations, all valid in their
own way. Local Muslims would go out of their way to not tread on
the toes of various Islamic scholars.

The best thing that Australia can do is to remind Muslims that
the Koran states that they should be kind to animals. If it can
be shown that slaughter without stunning is in fact not kind to
animals, then the argument is simple.

Rodger Fletcher has been able to convince his clients, that stunning
before slaughter is a good thing all round. The rest of the industry
should learn from that.

Yabby

Wendy`s saying - Where are the AVA and RSPCA.? Shes also saying if a few others had got behind this it may have had a different result but at least we gave it our best shot.

Yes Rodger does manage to do business and do very well at it with Muslims by using pre stunning.

That only proves it can be done and the Government should use him as an example for some law and set standards for Animal Welfare.

You and I both know the civilised Muslims readily except pre stunning.
Anything for a vote Yabby. Dont hear any objections from Rudd either.

This was in direct conflict with our MOU and previous meetings held with overseas reps who were quite happy to look at gas down the track.

No Yabby this is local and pretty much driven by one person.

AFIC are extremely short staffed and often major descions are left to one or two people and the rest follow.

As you said Rodger can work with overseas without any problem.

We ought to remember ritual slaughter is illegal in this country.

So why is the Government even having this conversation. I might add behind our backs knowing full well of our MOU.
WHY? are they not out there charging people?

You mentioned the Catholic Church. I cant hear them objecting can you.

Here is their chance to show the world how merciful "their" God Is.

Perhaps we need to look for better Muslim Leadership because there are many projects available for those who want to work together with Aussies building plants and especially working with our Aboriginal people and Regional people.

Rodger as you said has good working arrangments with Muslim people so your right Yabby- We just need more Rodgers and more good Muslims and their leaders who already work happily with him to lead Australian Muslims in the right direction.

You can judge a Nation by the way it treats its animals.

G

Yabby
I note you could have put the boot in but you didnt.
You and I have argued this Halal slaughter thing for a very long time.
So your words of wisdom are noted and the spirit it was given in.
I will take a break for a while and lick my wounds. A lot of good people have been burnt and I would be less than honest if I didnt say I feel responsible.

Later who knows I might write a book on my experiences over the last five years working with Muslim leaders.

Might be a good way of educating the public about Animal Welfare if not about honour and credability.

In the mean time at least we have a web page up so if I change the Kind to Cruel and pop up some pictures of Ritual Slaughters next to the pictures- Ah Mohamed. [ You have the links]

The beach looks good and riding through the bush with a Bundy.

Work with the Aboriginals can contiune with Japan or other counties but somebody else will have to run it.



Remember to ask at your shopping center is it Halal? There are more and more shops opening using Halal each day.

If the Answer is yes there is a chance this animal was NOT pre stunned.
Although this practise is illegal In Australia it would seem the Government dont care?

You might like to walk over to the next counter with Aussie food.

Either way its "your choice" and you have a "right to be informed" to allow you to make that choice for you and your family.

In the mean time it is interesting to note some of the emails recieved by us from Muslim people who do "not: support ritual slaughter and do support pre stunning.
Where there is light - there is hope Yabby is correct.

Just a question for PALE if you don't mind.

I was under the impression that Halal slaughter and Kosher slaughter use the same method: cutting the throat while conscious.

When you said that Kosher slaughter is more cruel than Halal slaughter, I tried to search the internet for the differences to no avail.

What is different about the two slaughtering methods that makes Kosher more cruel than Halal?

Celiva
So Sorry I didnt see this. With Kosha they stick them several times in different places to bleed them out. Often skin them alive.