Taryn,
Thanks for that link, I will have a good look soon; my pc has been extraordinary slow, I think we’ve used up our limits.
Both the Greens and Dems seem to have a fair animal (federal) policy in place so I assume they would be on the animals’ side on this issue as well: http://greens.org.au/about/policy/policy.php?policy_id=18 and http://www.democrats.org.au/policies/policy_dis.htm?id=39&policy=Animal+Welfare+Policy .

The ALP hasn’t released their new policy yet, and I can’t find an animal policy from the Liberals, Family First or the Socialist Party either. In the meantime I have emailed them and waiting for a reply on their policies.

The SP replied and wants to see more proactive checks on animal welfare. They share my view that the government puts profit before interests of human workers and animals.

Anyway, I’ll be keeping an eye on this topic- if there’s any news about stunning and slaughter we could continue to post it on this thread.

Celiva

Family first have NO Animal Welfare Policy? dont even start me on the churches reps again.
Shame.

I assume SP is State Parliment? Labour Government have zero interest in animal welfare. It is the states that have allowed dometic abattoirs to operate without any re stunning.

According to Hugh Wirth RSPCA the Federal Government have straight out lied to RSPCA.
We need to find out who is bending to them and - Why?
Considering this has been put on the table just weeks before a Federal election I cant say I agree with Yabby that the meat industry is not political.

I am not going to pretend we are not extremely dissapointed with AFIC especially given it was 'our' suggestion to meet with Peter Mcgauran regarding accreditations for Halal Slaughter.

We all saw the AWB enquiry.
I personally resent AFIC using the benefit of having our people on their web page working together under a MOU for animal welfare then pulling a stunt like this without contacting us.

I find it down right dishonest and lacking in credability.


I am both surprised and extremely dissapointed with the new President also.
That said I can assure you there are many Muslims who do not agree with this and want to pre stunning continued.

Those people have put their hands up to forming a Muslim Animal Welfare group and I know they will get a lot of support from Australian Muslims.

I guess Muslim Leaders in Australia will learn that people can be voted in or voted out as leaders.
Much like Howard and Rudd.
Thats what happens when you live in a democracy so it doesnt matter how much preshure you get from third world cruel countries from overseas- people ought to remember this is Australia.

These people will no doubt have the support of the Australian public and all Animal Welfare groups including I would think the RSPCA.
So I guess the lesson to be learned here is.
Here today- Gone tomorrow.[ Not a smart deal Prime Mininster]

Ritual Slaughter without stunning of Animals.
Australia Says NO

Just a foot note.
PALE is considering a tell all post regarding dealings with AFIC leaders.
You dont have to be interested either in Animal Welfare to find it extrordinary reading.
This is the straw that broke the cammels back[ no pun intended] especially after our meeting with the President a few weeks ago In Brisbane along with State Government.
Enough is enough

It never ceases to amaze me that "some" modern Muslims feel they have the right and perfect freedom to criticise us as being corrupt and contradictory but whenever anyone dares to critise them along the same lines, they label this as rude, offensive, and racist!

You are right PALE, there is a real double standard here. They dont mind at all offending us with their preference for ritual killings and bringing down our animal welfare standards, but of course we will be accused of racism for taking a stand now that they have been caught out.

Thank You for your comment PF.
Taryn is going to post a letter sent to their President yesterday.
[ Only because this computer isnt working]
I felt is was only fair to disclose it on your thread enquiring- Halal Kind?? Meats please explain?
Please note Silence on this issue from Kevin Rudd. ALP Where are you??

Your correct about brining down the standards[ not that they were so high in the first place] but this is beyond the pale.

The Australian public have a right to know what was in the MOU signed by John Howard two years ago with Bruni.? Also what other MOUs have been signed with Maylasia or any other countries.
Were RSPCA informed?
Apparently not according to Dr Wirth RSPCA.

His words were clear. He stated- "We were lied to when we were assured by AQIS this was NOT happening in Australia."

That would mean the Prime Mininster lied or issued intruction to keep mum on this agreement from RSPCA- Or I guess to be fair to the Prime Mininster Dr Wirth lied after the event.

Now considering in the past there have been many so called enquiries into Animal Welfare ALL OF WHICH BTW recomended live export cease immediatly] we need to ask for a open Royal Commission into the whole affair.
As for the standards of the Muslims both here and overseas I do not believe this business about if an animal is not treated with kindness its not Halal.
What I think is really behind this stand suddenly against stunning is simply apart from a small cost

THEY REFUSE TO WORK WITH THE WEST In Anything!!. Its a stand Against Western Culture. Thats why Australia needs Muslim Leaders prepaired to assimulate.

WE REFUSE TO PRE STUN ANIMALS BEFORE SLAUGHTERN BECAUSE IT WAS INTRODUCED BY THE WEST.

Isnt that Right?

Mystery Solved

PF
AN OPEN LETTER TO AFIC BELOW.
Thank you fr brining this to attention and being my favourite Farmer!
Taryn

12th August 2007


Dear Ikebal
We have been placed in a most embarrassing and difficult position by AFIC.
It is clear our MOU is not respected. Not to discuss this proposal to the
Government of not pre stunning animals at Abattoirs is outrageous and quite
frankly rude. AFIC is aware that on your web page along with our
organistation there is the Humane Society of NSW, The CEO of RSPCA QLD,
George Czaus a lawyer and director of HKM The Founders of A International
Language School, Tom Hannen the X federal Leader of the AMIEU who in
particular having seen and worked with abattoir staff for thirty five years
totally opposes anybody NOT pre stunning animals. Be it Islamic OR Kosher.-
Brad Saunders representing the Aboriginal people and State Government of QLD
plus myself founder of PALE and HKM founder and director.

The same applies regarding our meeting in Brisbane that HKM called and
brought along with them a rep from the State Government supporting the
proposal including a offer to fund it.

Despite the fact HKM worked tirelessly to achieve the offer of funding and
compile the project you stated [ in front of Brad] That you thought HKM
should stand back for a while] in the same breath as saying you were pleased
the QLD State Government had made an offer of funding.
Let me remind you it is HKM who hold discussions of MOUs with Aboriginal
Councils - and the State Government. Putting it bluntly Ikebal it was HKMs
proposal to the State Government - and AFIC.
It is a pity AFIC did not see this offer through HKM as a beginning of
becoming more involved with working along side Australian People and
Governments.

Our true position now as a Animal Welfare Group has been damaged.
We have spent a great deal of our time working towards softening the
attitude of all other Animal Welfare Groups towards Muslim people and
leaders.

To Be Continued-