Do not talk for me pale, I can make a fool of my self.
For century's these folk have killed their food this way.
And in truth we often kill in far worse ways.
Have you seen the fear in the eyes of cattle standing in line waiting to die?
I will never except Muslims telling me how to live, and I will never tell them, EVER to change a basic of the religion they live by.
If we stop eating meat one day we may find some one telling us how to humanly kill a lettuce.

Belly ~ Spot on.

What we need as a modern country is a political party for the animals that will look after animal rights and make changes to the animal laws.
The wold's first Party for the Animals (PvdD)is located in the Netherlands, with four seats.
They have made many changes already and usually their ideas are backed up by one of the parties in the coalition, especially the Labor Party.

They now have banned a main supermarket from selling meat that has been slaughtered without a stun gun and are promoting the use of a friendlier method: gas, to knock the animals out before slaughter, which won't damage the skull.

Also, because they can't boycot imported meat, there are black stickers on all meat packages of imported meat of animals that haven't been raised or slaughtered in a humane manner.

There are now also special supermarkets that have banned all animal unfriendly produce- one would find only free range produce there.

They also had a big influence on all private health funds vegetarians get a discount.
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2007/04/the_dutch_conti.php

Freedriver, I have no personal experience on slaughtering methods, I listen to the experts.

"A bullet between the eyes is the most humane.

It's not very practical. Except maybe if you're out in the middle of a field. It doesn't always work as effectively as you would expect.

"It would be fair to say PF would have a better idea than most about which is the kindest way to slaughter any animals.

Why? Because you agree with her?

"Feed driver- Why dont you try it?

Try what?

"Freedriver, I have no personal experience on slaughtering methods, I listen to the experts.

If you listen to the experts, why are you quoting peta?

"It is black and white"

Pale, your passions and emotions might be black and white,
but clearly the facts are not!

What we have at this point, is some meatworks in both the
Middle East and Australia, using stun guns, some not.

What we also have is some first class boats, with new
and better ones coming on stream, then some old biddies.

Some of those newer boats have far better conditions then
most feedlots in Australia.

So its a case by case issue, not black and white, as
you feel.

My family and I are meat producers - we mainly trade in fat lambs of which we breed ourselves.

A common misunderstanding is that alot of people think that it is the Australian producers that created the live export industry where in fact it was demanded by the market. In other words certain countries prefer the animals to be live on delivery so they are able to slaughter them in accordance to their religious beliefs. It would be far more humane for the animals to be slaughtered here than have to be shipped over on a boat...if the slaughterman is trained properly the animal is least likely to feel pain using the Halal method so makes s\more sense to encourage responsible training of the slaughtermen I would think - unless the animal rights movements think they can change the Muslim beliefs....cause you will never stop the export of sheep or cattle - dead or alive.

This is typical of the animal rights movements once again farmer bashing without any consideration for the industry whatso ever....bit like the mulesing issue. I would hate to think what they thought of a sheep with half its body eaten away from maggots because it wasnt mulesed.

PALE
do you really believe that all farmers are unbelievably cruel and really enjoy hurting the animals which provide them and their family with an income. If you really knew the people within the industry you would realise that the large majority treat their animals with respect because if they are neglected at all they wont thrive, grow and produce quality wool or fatten for market.

BTW, we kill our own meat. My husband shoots them in the head in the paddock,(he doesnt get them into the yards because he believes the sheep get too stressed and affects the taste of the meat) cuts its throat straight away, hangs it then skins it, removes the internal organs etc, leaves it overnight than butchers it at dawn. YUM!