The thing I am worried about is that Australians once more will blame the Muslims or Jews for this practice of unstunned slaughtering, while the government is to blame for its appalling animal laws and not taking a firm stand.

Australia is “supposed to be” a secular country, but seems to be fine with having religion (Christianity as wel as Islam) all too often interfere with the freedom and rights of both animals and people.

As I have learnt in past animal discussions: animal laws have not been updated in the last century. Correct me if I’m wrong- nothing was done in the past 100 or so years!

I hope that some day animal rights will become an election issue, that Australia will follow some EU countries who obviously are more evolved in this area rather than the USA.

Ironic, isn’t it, that the more secular countries treat animals more respectfully than the so-called Christian (or religious-leaning) countries!

Celiva
Wendy asked me to post these links for you.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=ethical+vet+andrew+knight+&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryAU

I agree the Government is to blame.
What their responsibilty is simply. To take Muslim leaders hand and guide the way. To build bridges of friendship and understanding.
This certainly wont achieve that.

I cant even say I think its because they are allowing themselves to be bullied because other stands taken to protect Australia have been taken.

Its simply that they dont care.
Animal Welfare is not an issue they wish to debate.
They cant be bothered.
Its the Animals that miss out once again.
Animal Welfare is a election issue Celiva.
The real prblem is as you said we need a party formed.
You hit the nail on the head.
What are the Dems and the Greens saying about this do you know?
Its discusting and shameful to have a hundred year old act with basically no changes. Even then its the only act of Parliment In Australia that is NOT enforced.

I see this as a huge mistake by the Australian Government and Muslim leaders because if it wasnt an election issue this time it soon will be.
This is ging to gain heaps of support for all animal groups and the backlash to Muslims and the Government will be enormous.
Australian people simply wont cop our country being thrown back to the dark ages of the middle east.
It shows utter lack of respect for our laws from Muslim Leaders.
Thats something the Government need to think about.
Muslims except pre stunning.
Thats a fact of life.
Well most Muslims other than the extreme.
So we are now in Australia going to abide by extreme Muslim laws are we Prime Minister?
They dont even respect you to suggest it.
What does that tell you.
[ Give me the child until he is seven and I will give you the man Wendys says often]
So John Howard is this the example you are setting?
All Aussies will roll over for allah.
Maybe the next request will be we all face Mecca to Vote.
``Think about it.``

"Feedriver. Yes of course its good information. The public need to know what is and isnt legal. Of course the next question the public will ask is\
- Well if its illegal who is turning a Blind Eye- and Why?

Before you get too carried away, why don't you try finding something 'official' or at least something from a more trustwarthy site about these laws.

A link to the DAFF site on treatment of animals at abbattoirs. Note that right down the bottom of the page is a reference to Judaic slaughter, which requires the animal to be concious when its throat is cut, but condones instant stunning as soon as cut is made. So perhaps its not about efficiency of bleeding at all...

http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-health/welfare/nccaw/guidelines/livestock/abattoirs

How about some animal rights group conduct a bit of research on brainwave patterns for various methods of death. Which ever results in brain patterns ceasing faster would have to be the most humane. They can then use scientific evidence to back their claims, rather than emotive rot.

Country Girl
All you need do is a google search. The Question was aked by PF of us do we Agree with Ritual Slaugheter In Australia.
The Answer is no.
On the link you put up you will see the Names Dr Wirth and Glenys Ogjes.
It probably is fair to mention both these people over many years have been invited to meet with ourselves and Muslim leaders from both here in Australia and overseas such as celiva mentioned

We invited Glenys to join us regarding introducing Gas into Halal plants which several leading Muslim people from overseas.

Has anybody see a Media R from Senator Bartlett or Bob Brown about this?

AFIC also put that in a sub to the Senate enquiry into Animal Welfare. It features in our MOU with AFIC.

There was NO interest. Given that they knew of our MOU with Muslim leaders to work to improve Animal Welfare we find that extrordinary.

Dr Wirth is also head of WSPA In Austalia and our group was denied membership. Thats of more interest than annoyance to us.

Another example of their lack of interest would have to be the fact that neither have contacted us regarding this issue "again" despite knowing about our work with Muslim leaders.

It is only fair to the Muslim people and leaders to point that out.
We MUST learn to work together with Muslim people and Leaders.

Dr Wirth RSPCA has stated RSPCA were lied to by the Federal Government when assured nobody was practising ritual slaughter.
Ok - Thats pretty serious indeed.
Stop There. We need a Royal Com into that right now!

Are we happy being on the web page along side Muslim leaders supporting them and Animal Welfare?
Yes because its a start towards working together.

Are we happy by the about face of this proposal to not pre stun animals[ without at least speaking with us] No we are not!!.

What do we need? A Royal Open public comm into the meat trade and Animal Welfare.

BTW.

Just read my own above post and sometimes things dont come out the way we mean. We want to make it very clear we totally support other Animal Groups one hundred percent.

The wonderful work done by Animals Australia Animal Liberation PACAT Dawn low and too many others to mention is invaluable.

Especially Lyn White.

What we are however saying is sometimes an indiviual person or persons can stand in the way of progress.
I have seen this happen time and time again . Considering its the animals who suffer we have a zero tolerance for over inflated egos.
People say there is a lot of inta fighting amoung Muslims and Muslim Leaders.
I would be lying if I didnt say- Yes thats quite true.
The last five years has been trying to say the least. Its often hard when you have many members of a Mosque coming from different parts of the world.
Like us some are more educated and some are quite concerned about Animal Welfare.
Some are from the old school and have not changed much from what I can see in thousands of years.
What I have found interesting and to be truthful surprising is they all are concerned about Animal Welfare.
Sure they might see it totally differently and you can argue until the cows come home.
However what sets them apart is the fact the are happy to discuss it and we encourage the other groups to try to work together with us by attending some meetings with Muslim Leaders of Australia.

It is beyond the pale that stubborne arrogance is the only reason these meetings have not been happening for several already.
We support ALL animal groups and we encourage them[ again] to work with us and attend meetings with Muslim Leaders we hold our MOU with.

For The Animals