But what if a Muslim guy were to go fishing? Who know what odd things he might say while throwing the fish into the esky.

Celivia, nothing wrong with that. But do you know what the kindest form is? What makes you think stunning them as well reduces the overall pain? Do you have any experience in this area?

A bullet between the eyes is the most humane. I'm all for that. Should we do everything we can to hurt the meat industry even more?...no. I find it fascinating that many of the people who moan about one thing or another won't put their money where their mouths are and subsidise farmers out of their own pocket. Form your own charity for animals destined for 'ritual' slaughter and buy them off the farmers. Don't buy meat. Don't eat fish. Don't buy chicken which live in the worst possible conditions. Think about the last few minutes of the meat you just ate for dinner. Why is it that 'they' do things less civilized than 'us' everytime?. Come up solutions, instead of more problems.

Hello Everyone.

Sorry I did not see this thread before.
It would be fair to say PF would have a better idea than most about which is the kindest way to slaughter any animals.

Firstly I must explain that Muslims refuse the stun gun because they beleive the scull must not be damaged or broken and must be perfect for Allah.
There are other issues with the blood being fully drained.
I am pleased to see so many comments on this thread.

I am a bit curious however just what the Federal Government are up to here.
Dont get me wrong I am also pleased that they are taking a stand- So long as they DO overide the States and start to take Animal Welfare seriously.
Anational FEDERAL Law is required for all abattoirs in Australia.
There has LONG been a problem with the States not taking Animal Welfare seriously.
As Yabby and PF will tell you the Federal Government through AQIS DO have pre stunning requirements but not so the States.

Especially the domestic plants throughout Australia. Kosha IS the most cruel of all.
To Answer you question PF I am waiting on a reply from AFIC regarding what stand they are going to make regarding this.
If they do not take a leadership role and do the right thing by the Animals I will not contiune to work with them.

I WILL be informing you all of their reply. In the mean time-

I am asking our Prime Mininster this Question.
Dear Prime Minister- Thank you for launching this enquiry into our cruel State laws mostly under labour- However will you now ban live Exports considering you KNOW the treatment at the other end is unexceptable because these poor animals are NOT stunned there either?

In the mean time does anybody remember Jolandas thread about all the local shops suddenly selling Halal.
Food for thought.
AFIC our MOU was to improve Animal Welfare.
This is your oportunity . I await your reply.

Original Message
From: Halalkindmeats
To: George Czaus ; AICOL ; ikebal.
Cc: wendy.lewthwaite@bigpond.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: Meeting Gold Coast

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/religious-ritual-slaughter-faces-review/2007/08/03/1185648153115.html

Hello Ikebal
As The Muslim Leaders of Australia what are you doing about the above please?
Are you prepaired to go public with a Media R denouncing such treatment of Animals?
I have been contacted by the Media for comment on the above story.

I am speaking with several in the next few weeks including 60 Minutes.

Please inform us as to you position on this as a matter or urgency given our public stand of support to AFIC as you know we are a Animal Welfare Organisation.
A Simply Yes or No Please Ikebal.
The offer of the plant in QLD is still on the table so that could be used as a much needed oportunity to improve the public image of Muslim members of Australia to work to improve Animal Welfare and to be involved in assisting our Aboriginal People in Regional Areas.
If you dont mind me saying Ikabel as we discussed at our last meeting the image of Muslims in general in Australia requires that Muslim Leaders are seen working together with other Australian People and Authorities.
This is a unique oportunity for AFIC to lead the way in Animal Welfare and set an example of leadsership to show they are working as one.
Please reply asap.
Also Can you send me Amjads new mobile number please as you suggested I contact him.
Regards
Wendy

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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Meeting Gold Coast



regards
Ikebal

Yabby.
It is black and white. Slaughter here and use a bolt gun or stun gun.. Thats the most kind way. Here is one Animal Group that is not always rattling the tin. Where would the animals be without Animal Loving people who form these groups?

Feed driver- Why dont you try it?

Patrica Thanks for sticking up for common decency to Animals.

Goddess- Woollies normally buy through Aussie plants that use the bolt method. That is by far the kinder. There is however going to be a push to supply halal for domestic.

Celivia. Good to see somebody with so much sense of fair play involved in this thread.

STG- Your wrong. It is cruel.

Izzo yes of course we must pre stun with a bolt.
chainsmoker. Mad cow comes from Intensive Farming. Australia is growing more and more feed lots. What does that tell you.
Sillie. I will reply to you in a seperate post.

WHERE THE AVA_ AUSTRALIAN VETINARY ASSOCIATION??
How about standing up for the Animals you swore your alligence to.

Will the Minister For Agriculture and the Prime Minister Please disclose the MOU signed by him with Brunie two years ago to launch a new Halal Brand In Australia and diclose if this brand is exempt from pre stunning?

What other arrangments and MOUs have been signed[ or are being signed with other countries such as Brunie Malaysia to allow the pre stunning to be removed?[ If Any]

What meetings have been held in the last few months to discuss Halal Accreditations and Slaughter?
Be warned if your :"review"? finds its ok for Animals NOT to be pre stunned you WILL have the whole of the Australian and the world public come down on you.
Enough is Enough.
Australia has a wonderful oportunity to become the largest exporter of CHILLED meat in the world.
I suggest you find someone with compashion and good business sense.
We will NOT stand by and see Australia turned into a third world country.
Go ahead and have your review but remember the eyes of the world are watching .