Opinionated2,

You are coming across as ranting and hysterical, and it’s not helping your case.

You have made a lot of good points (many of which I have made in the past as well), but it’s all for nothing if your tone and delivery are off, as your targeted audience will simply use your tone and delivery as an excuse to disregard what you say, regardless of how valid your points may be.

<<His omniscience should have told him how easily a verse like that could be misused by humans.>>

And that’s all you needed to say. This is the nail in the coffin for Christianity. I made a similar point at http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=14398#248464.

Anything that could qualify as a god could communicate what it needed to in a way that surpassed temporal contexts and in a way that could not be misunderstood or misconstrued. The fact that the Bible fails to do this, debunks any understanding of the Christian god - sophisticated or otherwise.

Next topic…

Oh Josephus...Didn't you relate what I was doing to communism? Didn't you say you have read every verse in every English Bible over 40 times?

Haven't you called me an Atheist when I am not? Do you believe God ordered all these people to be murdered like the Bible says.

Do you believe Mosaic law is from God?

See all these lectures from people like you don't wash when you don't actually practice what you preach!

You are a Pharisee and you fall back on simple standard verses to defend your error-filled thinking and logic.

Are you repentant to believing God drowned every innocent baby, every innocent toddler, every innocent infant. every innocent child and every innocent babe still in the womb in a flood that never even happened.

Are you repentant for believing Moses, King David and many others in the Bible are good people when they are scumbags?

Why do you defame God so much believing these horrid lies in the Bible against God?

Let's see you answer this... If I am right, and God never drowned anyone in a flood, and never killed all the firstborn in the Passover and never ordered the Bible scumbags to commit the atrocities they claim God approved of... How would you feel about people like you and the religions saying it was true?

Believing these lies against God is simply taking the Lords name in vain in the worst possible way!

How would you feel about religions that actual celebrate a mass murder that you never committed like the obscene way religions celebrate the Passover?

Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight THE LORD SMOTE all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

What is it with Moses and bloody cattle...It seems that is all God cares about...lmao

Do you think a repentant heart will forgive a lifetime of believing and spreading lies against God?

So why don't you repent instead?

AJ I am neither ranting or hysterical...I am simply dealing with each person in a way that is different to your methodology.

We have good people on here trying to find middle ground when I haven't finished making my case...
Now to King David...

THE EVIDENCE THAT DAVID WAS AN ADULTEROUS, PSYCHOPATHIC, MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL!

David's affair with Bathsheba...

Yep - David was a lovely Psychopath!

David spies a beautiful Bathsheba bathing...She was the wife of Uriah the Hittite who was away at war fighting for King David.

2 Samuel 11 4-5 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home.

The woman conceived and sent word to David, saying, “I am pregnant.”

That's right David slept and impregnated one of his brave soldiers wives!

So David sent people to get Uriah and tried to encourage Uriah to sleep inside with his wife...Uriah was a loyal man and he wouldn't have any better comforts than those he served with.

2 Samuel 11:11 Uriah said to David, “The ark and Israel and Judah are staying in tents, and my commander Joab and my lord’s men are camped in the open country. How could I go to my house to eat and drink and make love to my wife? As surely as you live, I will not do such a thing!”

So what did King David do?

He tried to get Uriah drunk so he would sleep with Bathsheba...David was trying to cover up his illicit affair and deceitful act by making it seem like the baby was actually Uriah's!

WOW! King David was so GODlike in his ways!

Again Uriah wouldn't compromise his principles...UNLIKE KING DAVID HE HAD SOME PRINCIPLES!

So what did David do next? He rewarded Uriah's wonderful principles with this

2 Samuel 11:15 In it he David) wrote, “Put Uriah out in front where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.”

David is a Psychopathic war criminal and Bible character isn't he? We should all teach our children to be like him...lol

2 Samuel 11:17 When the men of the city came out and fought against Joab, some of the men in David’s army fell; moreover, Uriah the Hittite died.

So what did this Bible hero do?

2 Samuel 11:26 When Uriah’s wife heard that her husband was dead, she mourned for him. After the time of mourning was over, David had her brought to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. But the thing David had done displeased the Lord.

What God was only displeased? What happened to "Though shalt not murder, not commit adultery, not covet?

This story should make your blood boil...But it won't...

GOD wouldn't have allowed this...The story is a pack of lies justifying David's horrid Psychopathic ways...
DSo God intervenes in the most abominable way...if you believe this rubbish.

As punishment GOD says

2 Samuel 12:11-12 “This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you,and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight.

You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”

Yep! There goes God misusing women again...How outrageous! And you believers think this is GOD's word?

GOD organised for a man to commit adultery with the wives? Did the women have any say in it? This story is obviously BS!

And GOD also killed the illegitimate child...The innocent baby was murdered!

12 Samuel 12 :15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife had borne to David, and he became ill.

then

2 Samuel 12 :18 On the seventh day the child died.

Once again your belief in the Bible means you are believeing GOD would make the wives of David female philanderers and GOD would murder an innocent child as punishment!

Opinionated2,

Whether you are ranting or hysterical is irrelevant to what I am saying. The problem is that this is how you are coming across to those with whom you are trying to communicate, and that makes what you’re doing a complete waste of time. They will run with your hysterical tone to dismiss everything you say out of hand.

A better way of going about it is to converse with one person at a time (preferably face to face) and ask them what it is that they believe, and why. You’ll rarely ever de-convert an individual immediately, but you can certainly plant seeds of doubt that will sometimes grow if you do not provide them with excuses to ignore what it is that you have said. Here, I’ll give you an example:

Yuyutsu,

What do you believe, and why?

You see? Nothing. Crickets chirping is the best I’m gonna get from Yuyutsu with that question, because I’ve already been through it all with him and he already understands that he will not be able to answer my question. Yuyutsu only ever responds to people who don’t challenge his beliefs, and that’s where the progress that I have made with him is evident.

If Yuyutsu responds to you, then it means that you have not challenged him and that he believes that he can pull the wool over your eyes with word play. Anyone who receives a response from Yuyutsu should be offended.

We’ll try another…

Josephus,

What do you believe, and why?

You try it now. Ask Is Mise what he believes and why? Keep asking for what their evidence is and, eventually, you will come to something along the lines of: ‘Well, you just gotta have faith.’ You may not de-convert an individual immediately by evoking such a response, but if that that person is in anyway capable of thinking rationally, then the fact that they will have resorted to ‘You just gotta have faith’ will eat at them to the point where they will be forced to question themselves what it is that they believe, and why.

To Opinionated2.

You have quite a bit to go if your going go through everything you find fault with. Would you like a short answer or a long one? Not sure if I'm the guy to give you a long answer. But here is a short one to consider.

The world is broken and full of sin. Not just the days before Noah. Not just Egypt's slavery of Israelites, nor just the people of Caanan who worshipped idols, had prostute shines, and sacrificed children. Even Isreal, God's chosen people are with sin. You've gotten to David but there are wars with the Philiatines, cruelty in the times of the Judges, Kings mentioned only in their order, length of time and whether they lead Isreal into more rightousness or wickedness. Things get bad enough that God sends Isreal out. Exiles them. And here's the big eye opener. God uses a nation that does not serve God, nor does it believe in Him.

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