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Religion - Is it finally time to know what you believe is probably wrong?

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More on your saviour Paul...

He twisted the truth to suit himself...

Romans 5:12-15 Wherefore, as by one man (ADAM) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

YET in Paul's Pharasaical zeal to oppress women he said exactly the opposite.

1 Timothy 2:14 “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman (EVE) being deceived was in the transgression.”

OOps Paul can't have it both ways can he? He can when you are driving your anti-Jesus views!

Paul was a thief who got his hand caught in the collection plate...

2Corinthians 11:8 I ROBBED OTHER CHURCHES, taking wages of them, to do you service.

And he made Jesus out to be a liar...

Jesus said ...Luke 12:33-34 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Yet Paul said of Jesus...

2Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he JESUS was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Yep that Paul didn't know much about Jesus at all but ghe was an excellent Pharisee, like yourself...lol

Paul was such a liar that he even said this...

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.”

Again where did Jesus command the oppression of women?

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Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 30 December 2017 9:40:24 PM
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Paul's own words condemn him continuaslly but you don't care for he is your leader...

Paul makes a freudian slip that believers never notice...

1Corinthians 7:10 But to the married I GIVE INSTRUCTIONS, NOT I, BUT THE LORD, that the wife should not leave her husband

He obviously didn't have an eraser so he accidently left it that really the instructions were from him Oops sorry Jesus...lmao

Paul's conversion is another lie...

Acts 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE VOICE OF HIM THAT SPAKE TO ME.

OR

Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A VOICE, BUT SEEING NO MAN.

Can hearing a voice and not hearing a voice ever mean the same thing?...lmao

But who did Paul see if Jesus is God?

1 Timothy 6:15-16 For at just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords.

He alone can never die, AND HE LIVES IN A LIGHT SO BRILLIANT THAT NO HUMAN CAN APPROACH HIM. NO HUMAN EYE HAS EVER SEEN HIM, NOR EVER WILL.All honor and power to him forever! Amen.

But he also wrote...

1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? HAVE I NOT SEEN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD? are not ye my work in the Lord?

AND

1 Corinthians 15:8 AND LAST OF ALL HE WAS SEEN OF ME ALSO, as of one born out of due time.

So either JESUS is GOD and Paul is lying, or Jesus isn't God but Paul is still lying...lmao

Don't just agree that your defiance of Jesus puts you at risk NNS..you were never anything but at risk...lmao

Anyone who believes all the horrid lies against God that you do, and prefers to believe Paul over Jesus like you do, and continues to spread these falsehoods has to be Anti Jesus and Anti God...even though you claim you love Jesus...lmao

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Posted by Opinionated2, Saturday, 30 December 2017 9:52:18 PM
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The simple but necessary questions I ask that no believers will answer are these.

The likes of NNS are terrified of these questions because they will make him think and his spiritual journey isn't one where any intellect is applied...lol....That's why they continually make excuses for their refusal to answer.

Believers...Put yourself in God's shoes..

How would you feel about people who claim to respect and revere you falsely claiming that YOU condoned of and sometimes committed infanticide, rape, murder, animal and human sacrifice, ethnic cleansing, war crimes, torture, incest, Mosaic Law - (Sharia), stoning, slavery oppression of women and other atrocities when it is absolutely UNTRUE?

How would you feel about people defying most of your teachings regarding idols?

Exodus 20:4-6 You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me,

but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

AND

Leviticus 26:1...Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

AND

Deuteronomy 27:15 Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.

If God is all around why do you need crosses..etc.?

If you believe horrid lies against God all throughout your lives do you really think all those prayers for forgiveness will work? You can't claim you love someone and then believe every horrid lie against that person and call that love!

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Posted by Opinionated2, Sunday, 31 December 2017 10:06:36 AM
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Pretending you are God cont...

How would you feel is someone lied and said you murdered all the firstborn in the Passover that never happened and celebrated that evil event every year?

Is it Christian to celebrate the mass murder of innocent babies, children and other innocent people?

The BS story alleges the facts of the Passover to be...

God took away Pharaoh's free will before any of the plagues or the Passover...

Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I WILL HARDEN HIS HEART, THAT HE SHALL NOT LET THE PEOPLE GO.

Is God more powerful than a mere man Pharaoh? So Pharaoh had no say in it after God hardened his heart!

So how evil is it to celebrate the mass slaughter of innocents especially believing God would do such a horrid untrue thing?

How would you feel if someone told these lies against you over and over every year ad nauseum?

Now pretend you are Jesus...I know you can pretend becasue you pretend to love Jesus and God every day...lmao

How would you feel about your lying followers believing all these horrid lies against your father?

How would you feel about believers and Churches following preaching Paul more than you? How would you feel about Paul lying and saying your commandments are to oppress women..Shave uncovered women...defy your teaching of the Prodigal Son?

How would you feel about the Pharasaical destruction of your religion every day of the week when you gave your life for the people?

How would you feel about people defying your simple but straight forward instructions?

No wonder he hasn't returned...You believers have left him nothing decent to return to.

How many buildings did Jesus build when he was on Earth?

Jesus left one religion and look what you believers have done to it...

It has been stated that there are around 37 million churches in the world with 34,000 (Christian) denominations.

Pharisaical divide and conquer!

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Posted by Opinionated2, Sunday, 31 December 2017 10:29:28 AM
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Self-Op2,

Wow, you mustn't have much arse left by now.

What if: almost none of us on OLO really believed that Moses (or Jesus) ever existed ? Not that we love them or hate them, since they don't exist (and you can't hate what you think doesn't exist), but that we take it for granted that they are symbolic figures, apocryphal, rather than real, used to illustrate precept, lessons, guidance to the right behaviour.

So really, your diatribes are directed at a very small number of people who claim to be Christians - is that right ? You are railing against people who claim to believe what you claim to believe, but who are 'false believers' or whatever ?

Your posts do come across a bit like someone obsessively condemning spoons, perhaps for not being forks, perhaps for being the wrong size and shape, perhaps for harbouring germs - something which the rest of us don't really give a toss about. We read your post politely, but are baffled why you obsess about mythical figures like Moses or Jesus.

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Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 31 December 2017 11:23:28 AM
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Jesus went into lots of detail regarding Pharisees and he was very accurate even though people like NNS defy him continually.

So if Jesus said to the rich man...Give away everything and follow me...what the Churches have done makes Jesus a hypocrite. Where did Jesus ever say to build 37 million churches? He didn't build one!

Matthew Chapter 12:9 And when he was departed thence, he went into THEIR synagogue:

What is it possible that all these Churches aren't Jesus'temples afterall?...lol

Matthew 23 tells what Jesus thought about you Pharisees...

Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Oh OH...so the people who at the time thought they represented God are considered children of hell by Jesus...

Jesus warned you guys and you totally ignored him as usual...

Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”

Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.

You truly are the blind leading the blind...lmao

I wouldn't say "skilfully sidestep" though.. You openly and dishonestly side step God's law and lie to justify your own tradition!

And what are those traditions?...Not Keeping the Sabbath by changing it to Sunday, and defying Jesus' teachings daily, and holding true and teaching abominable lies against God, graven images in your lives, celebrating a false story against God of the Passover in your Churches, following Paul the Oppressing Pharisee and using his false teachings to justify your failings, judging others, looking for specks in your brother's eye, casting stones, and believing in the Trinity and on and on the list goes!

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Posted by Opinionated2, Sunday, 31 December 2017 12:44:27 PM
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