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USA: Cops killing Blacks - Raciest Homicide or Justified ?
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Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 15 July 2016 6:22:24 AM
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"It is undeniable that police in the US often contend with much more violent situations and more heavily armed individuals than police in other developed democratic societies. Still, looking at our data for the US against admittedly less reliable information on police killings elsewhere paints a dramatic portrait, and one that resonates with protests that have gone global since a killing last year in Ferguson, Missouri: the US is not just some outlier in terms of police violence when compared with countries of similar economic and political standing.
America is the outlier – and this is what a crisis looks like. Fact: In the first 24 days of 2015, police in the US fatally shot more people than police did in England and Wales, combined, over the past 24 years. Behind the numbers: According to The Counted, the Guardian’s special project to track every police killing this year, there were 59 fatal police shootings in the US for the days between 1 January and 24 January. According to data collected by the UK advocacy group Inquest, there have been 55 fatal police shootings – total – in England and Wales from 1990 to 2014." http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries?CMP=share_btn_tw Posted by Poirot, Friday, 15 July 2016 8:31:06 AM
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Indirectly, a NZ study on physical violence found that the ratio of its community offences with US was equal. But almost no NZ events involved guns obviously. Many lands have violent police . The outlier is evidently the insane sacred duty to carry guns in US.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 15 July 2016 9:47:06 AM
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"...The outlier is evidently the insane sacred duty to carry guns in US."
Yep... Posted by Poirot, Friday, 15 July 2016 10:01:54 AM
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Sure makes you wonder how the UK would be getting on if it had inherited the multicultural social problems of the US, where serious violence with and without weapons is almost invariably black on black, involving gangs and drugs. Second by a distance are Hispanic offenders.
How can it be that so many black Americans bloom in the US, taking advantage of their opportunities and raising happy families, but some are exactly the opposite and regardless of the billions spent on positive affirmative action and other assistance? What is wrong with the leftist 'progressive'(sic) social engineering that it always increases problems rather than diminishing them? In the US the great leftist hope, the urbane, motor-mouth and Harvard educated Barack Obama, now a lame duck President, had enjoyed a golden opportunity to set up a national independent inquiry into black social problems using one or more of the US's prestigious universities. But Obama squandered his chance, preferring to promote himself on the world stage instead. Now Obama concludes his presidency finding diversions and whipping boys. No chance there it appears. Next, another 'Clintonist', which is the new word for a habitual liar. Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 15 July 2016 12:19:14 PM
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Hi there STEELEREDUX...
Given the Body Camera wasn't as clear as I would've hoped. It's a long standing US police practice, that you 'must' see a suspects hands, including any others in the suspects vehicle. This is a consequence of the high number of police, suffering serious injury or death, that many police are understandably quite anxious whenever they need to intercept a suspicious M/V. I've attended two separate 'Officer Survival' seminars, each of 44 hours duration, in the US and it was drummed into us ad infinitum, '...you guys have gotta watch those damn hands, it's the hands and what's in 'em, that'll get you killed...' (Special Agent Ron ADAMS Honolulu, HAWAII 1987) and (Lt. Jerry LANE Springfield, MA. 1986) The motive for my going on about 'hands'; I believe it goes in some way, to explain the reason's the police shot the unfortunate Mr NOBLE in the first place ? For whatever reason, it appeared Mr NOBLE 'failed to comply, or couldn't comply (fully)' with the lawful directions of police. Why, I don't know. To answer your question STEELEREDUX. If I were confronted with EXACTLY the same circumstances, that confronted these police...I would not have discharged my F/A. Neither would many of my colleagues either, I would've thought. Of course I wasn't there ! Why wouldn't I have fired my weapon ? (i)The suspect wasn't attempting to abscond; (ii)There were two police officers present, so there was no 'immediate' danger to police, or any other individual evident; (iii)police had adequate (ballistically resistant) cover available to them (police vehicle); (iv)Mr NOBLE was clearly confused by the precise directions given him by police, and that was clearly noticeable by many of his 'jerky' movements; It's very difficult for a person to adopt the prone position 'upon a command', without first, using one or both hands in order to aid them to comply. I hope this brief explanation goes in some small way in clarifying the Australian police approach to dealing with potentially deadly force decisions. As you'd expect STEELEREDUX, this is an inexact science, at it's best ? Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 15 July 2016 12:20:53 PM
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The odd police member really hopes to taser / smoke a perp.