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Why do we have to keep snivelling to the US
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Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 31 October 2015 3:00:22 PM
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Dear Mr. Opinion,
The fact that people were born in China or retain cultural contacts does not imply that they support the Chinese regime, especially if they were born and educated in Australia; or if they immigrated to Australia in order to escape political/religious oppression. As for the statistics, it may well be that Chinese love the CBD and also like concentrating in certain suburbs. It's also possible that they love strolling in the streets while others prefer to stay at home or drive cars. Regardless, if this problem is endemic to Sydney then there is no need to flee Australia - only to move to another state and vote to secede from the commonwealth. I agree with Mhaze that if the Chinese regime could have its way then they wouldn't allow you and me to live our lives as normal. Why would they? Instead, like the Romans before them, they would throw and lock us inside some gold-mine and will only give us a glass of water in exchange for a certain amount of gold. What will you personally do when they come? I hope to be resting peacefully in my grave by then, having died in good age of natural causes. Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 31 October 2015 10:15:33 PM
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I see the far left whingers are still muttering about the US imperialism, forgetting of course that the only country aggressively trying to expand its dominion at the expense of its neighbors is China. The sailing of a navy ship through these waters without China's permission was a simple enforcement of the legal right of navigation through these waters.
While Paul is correct in that the US would struggle with a land invasion of China, this would be a most naval/ air encounter, where the US navy and air force are orders of magnitude more powerful, and where the local countries are far more likely to support the US than China. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 1 November 2015 5:53:00 AM
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Dear Yuyutsu
From your comments I get the impression that you and mhaze do not live in Sydney. In fact I doubt if you have ever even seen the place. Come and spend some time here making the same observations that I and other Sydney people make every day and you will soon change your opinion. Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 7:49:11 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,
So what do you think the outcome will be? Do you think the US is trying to contain China or just showing that it is not about to return to isolationism? Do you think that the US will come to Australia's assistance if China moves to extend its economic control of Australia to political control? Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 8:01:38 AM
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Mr Opinion,
To refer to your earlier question, about 3% of the population of Sydney was born in China, with 6.5% ethnically Chinese with higher concentrations of 27% in areas such as Chatswood. However, my experience of these citizens is that they would strongly prefer Australia not be become a satellite of Red China. I believe that the renewed sense of nationalism in China has led it to believe that it can achieve its claim of territorial ownership of the Spratly's in spite of the clear contravention of the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea that China has ratified. (And the tribunal in the Hague based on this that China is boycotting), and is a gamble that rest of the world with eventually accede, and that the damage to its relations with its neighbors can be repaired in time. http://globalnation.inquirer.net/130289/china-faces-mounting-intl-pressure-over-maritime-claims The feeble response of Obama to date has reinforced its belief that it can pull this off, until of course the US navy sailed a warship straight though its claimed territory without permission and indicates that it intends to do so continually. This puts China in an invidious position of either doing nothing and tacitly acknowledging the right of others over the area, or using its military to enforce compliance on the US ship, which with a US carrier group over the horizon would be a very "courageous" move. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 1 November 2015 10:04:54 AM
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"I'd never argue that the US is anywhere close to perfect. But in terms of world super-powers, not just now, but throughout history, the US is the most benign of leaders. The least imperialistic, the most liberal, the most democratic. It seeks advantage for itself by raising everyone else up not be holding everyone else down."
ROFLMAO
The US has since WWII followed a policy of Interventionism world wide. Firstly to contain the threat of communism, and later as a support to its military/industrial complex. The US no longer maintains the pretense that its military interventionism is, and has been, motivated by some abstract notions of support for freedom and democracy for the oppressed, When it fact it has been a leading oppressor on a world scale, spectacularly failing to install freedom and democracy to any of the oppressed it has rushed to support. Now the US freely admits it can and will intervene militarily anywhere, and against anyone, it perceives as a threat to "American interests" and those American interests are identical to the interests of the US military/industrial complex.
"In January 1961, US President Dwight D Eisenhower used his farewell address to warn the nation of what he viewed as one of its greatest threats: the military-industrial complex composed of military contractors and lobbyists perpetuating war." Eisenhower was right.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/01/big-money-behind-war-military-industrial-complex-20141473026736533.html