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Why do we have to keep snivelling to the US

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ttbn:

Typical U.S. Administration response from you, when faced with

the truth of any situation, and no sensible opposition, simply

ridicule the messenger!
Posted by Crackcup, Sunday, 1 November 2015 5:40:11 PM
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Paul1405,

I'm sure adolescent acronyms ("ROFLMAO") are considered the height of effective rebuttal in some quarters.

Churchill is reported to have said, after being voted out of power in '45, "democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

If you were to acquaint yourself with some history you might start to see the US in the same way - the most imperialistic, interventionist, oppressive of superpowers except for all the others that have ever existed and all those that might soon exist.

To say things like "When it fact it has been a leading oppressor on a world scale" just shows a complete lack of understanding of the last century. For example, when, at the close of WWII Europe was divided between Soviet and US spheres of influence, the US actively created democracies throughout, threw money at the devastated nations through the Marshall Plan and allowed those in its sphere to operate with complete independence. The Soviets by contrast, forced totalitarian rule on its conquered territories, stripped places like Germany and Czechoslovakia of much industrial wherewithal, and enforced strict compliance with the rule of Moscow. Where is the US equivalent of Hungary '56 and the Czechoslovakia '68?

You might also ponder what happens when the US decides to abdicate its world policeman role - Tibet, Darfur, Rwanda.

Yes the US is very concerned to protect its interests. But is methods for doing so are the most benign that can be imagined and that the world has seen from any superpower, ever. In the wide sense, its interests are our interests - the maintenance of democracy and liberal capitalism.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 1 November 2015 6:13:24 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

I don't think the Chinese in Australia give two hoots about the outcome. They'll be protected either way and allowed to pursue their only interest in life - making money. For them it's a win-win situation.

Also, I would be interested to find out how many of the Chinese in Australia have been members of the Chinese Communist Party. Which also begs the question if the Chinese Communist Party has been assisting its nationals with migration and the finances to purchase property and businesses in Australia.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 9:37:57 PM
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mhaze, given my life's experience I found "ROFLMAO" a worthy response to utter rubbish which in no way relates to the reality of post WWII American meddling in world affairs. I did follow the "ROFLMAO" with my view of America's post war foreign policy, which has very much been an interventionist policy, and the reason behind it, support for its military/industrial complex. A total turn around from an American inter war isolationist policy. The finger pointing argument that says "I'm bad, but he was worse!" is a frivolous argument of no value, meaningless in today's context. If I accept America is the least imperialistic, the most liberal, the most democratic compared to the British, French , Spanish, the Romans and all the other imperial powers that have existed, so what.
The world event in my lifetime which very much has shaped my option of the US, was the Vietnam War. A grubby imperialistic war that gave the "big lie" to American pretenses of championing the rights of the oppressed, the deaths of probably 1,500,000 plus people and the subsequent telling of the story of Vietnam is testimony to what I say is true. In the majority of instances, American intervention has resulted in an escalation of regional conflicts, rather that having a pacifying effect, this is self evident in the Middle East at the moment, as it is in Afghanistan, on numerous occasions in Central America, and was in Vietnam. in my view their best result has been Korea where they managed to achieve an uneasy peace, with the resultant creation of a sycophantic state in the shape of South Korea, and a festering sore called North Korea. Well done U.S.A!
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 2 November 2015 5:51:24 AM
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Crackpot,

Truth? You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the backside; now, you are digging yourself a hole you don't need my help with.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 2 November 2015 8:25:08 AM
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mhaze,

Non-Imperialist Most Benign Of Leaders

http://williamblum.org/essays/read/overthrowing-other-peoples-governments-the-master-list

And How They Do It

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-03/washingtons-fifth-columns-inside-russia-and-china

This is what you are defending?
Really?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 2 November 2015 8:31:00 AM
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