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Why do we have to keep snivelling to the US

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"Life under Chinese domination might not be all that bad."

I shudder at the level of ignorance or sheer willful misreading of history that would allow anyone to think such a thing. A China freed of the constraints of the US hegemony would be a horror for mankind. They would enforce their values with a ruthlessness not seen since the marauding Mongols. The 'party', unrestrained and victorious would eliminate democracy and freedom wherever it placed its hand.

I think the problem is that people are so unaware of their history, so devoid of knowledge about how fragile and precarious our freedom is, how hard-won it was, assume that it will always be there and those nice Chinese totalitarians wouldn't even think about overturning what they consider to be an aberration in the march of history.

A picture tells a thousand words:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/flash/photo/20090602-Lens-Behind-Tianamen/20090603-tank-cole-1000px.jpg
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 30 October 2015 7:39:26 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

Don't get upset at me because you don't like the idea of a Sino-Australia. I'm not the blame for China deliberately populating Australia with its nationals and taking control of the country's natural resources and major industries. It's the politicians and business leaders of Australia who are letting it happen.

Personally, I think the Anzacs who gave their all to create a nation would be turning in their graves if they knew how Australia's politicians and business leaders have sold out to the Chinese in the pursuit of tax revenues and corporate profits.

All I'm saying is that a Sino-Australia is inevitable. You only have to look at the current demographic of Sydney to see that. The future political-economy of Australia will be controlled by China and the major decisions will be made in Beijing. Everyone is just going to have to accept it or get out.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 30 October 2015 8:12:24 PM
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ttbn:
Ah! I see the rampant hysteria leaking from your literary
meanderings!

I feel like running straight out and enlisting in Uncle
Sam`s Army!

I think that you would believe anything the Yank lovers
tell you, when your insinuation that there WERE "Weapons
of Mass Destruction" which triggered the invasion of Iraq!

Fortunately I was not there to witness the movement of
these mystical Weapons crossing the Iraqi border " before
the Americans arrived?"

Just to add reinforcement to your misguided theory, ....it
was only yesterday that Tony Blair admitted publicly that
the "Weapons of Mass Destruction" was a LIE!....but maybe he
was telling "porkies" too?

The leaders of the "Coalition of the Willing" countries might
be stupid, but they are NOT that stupid that they don`t get
their Intelligence Services to check the authenticity of the
information on which they act to take them to war.

With this in mind, obviously the subject leaders ignored the
truth of the matter, and disregarding the truth, they then
acquiesced to the demands of the U.S. and committed their
troops to what was an "illegal war" not sanctioned by the
U.N. at the time, (which proves who is really running the
U.N.)

Another classic example of the "good ole boys" was the prison
compound at Guantanamo Bay. How many innocent prisoners were
incarcerated, tortured and maybe murdered, during its life,
breaking nearly every article of the Geneva Convention.
The last prisoner was finally released yesterday after
serving 13 years, and was never found guilty of any "offence"
* and before you "sic" offence, ....I use English spelling or
try to, as I refuse to be converted to Amerispeak, unlike the
many who just can`t wait to become Yanks!
I still use "got" and not "gotten", the only acceptable use
of "gotten" in the English language is "ill gotten gains"
Posted by Crackcup, Friday, 30 October 2015 8:52:19 PM
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Dear mhaze,

I understand where you're coming from but Australia's politicians and business leaders don't share your concerns. They are active agents in letting China populate Australia with its nationals at such a rate that Chinese will very shortly be the principal group in Australia and the better part of Australia's natural resources and major industries will be in the hands of Chinese corporations.

It's too late to turn back the clock and the floodgates have now been opened. We are about to see an unprecedented mass migration of Chinese nationals to Australia and the planting of Chinese companies into Australia. I think within the next five to ten years 50% of all construction and manufacture in Australia will be carried out by Chinese companies and that 50% of all jobs will be held by Chinese workers.

There's no use fighting it. The die has been cast by Australia's politicians and business leaders. People are just going to have to get used to the fact that they will soon be a part of a Greater China. The only alternative - for those who don't like that idea - is to leave the country. I'm quite sure China will help people if that's what they decide to do.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Friday, 30 October 2015 10:50:36 PM
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Crackpot,

I hope that you haven't been the way you are for all your 77 years, and that your situation is just second childhood.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 31 October 2015 9:41:51 AM
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Mr Opinion,

Sometimes, despite the name of this site, its also good to be Mr Fact.

eg, "Chinese will very shortly be the principal group in Australia"

Fact: the percentage of the population born in China is 1.9% up from 1.0% 10 years ago. This is a slower growth rate than many other nationalities. Indians went from 0.7% to 1.7%. In terms of ethnicity ie people born of overseas parentage, 4.3% say they are Chinese, way behind peoples like the English, Scots, Irish, Italians Germans etc.

Of the Australian population, 447,000 people were born in China. Of those at least half are students and the like who are not likely to become citizens or permanent residents.

So, while you might fret about the Chinese take-over, the facts are rather different. At the current rate, it'll take about 500 years to get to your postulated 50%. Although I intend to be around then, I'll start worrying in 2 to 3 hundred years time!

Now if you want something to really worry about, the Nepalese population increased by 27% in the last 10 years. It won't be long before we're all eating Dal bhat.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 31 October 2015 10:38:16 AM
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