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Why do we have to keep snivelling to the US

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Hi Shadow Minister

I still find your stats low vis-a-vis what my eyes tell me when I travel around Sydney.

And I know from other stats that the Chinese population of Chatswood is much higher than the 27% you cite. My stats say that in 2011 Chinese accounted for 37% of the population of Chatswood. I would say it has increased substantially in the last 4-5 years and I would now expect to find that the Chinese community probably now represent at least 50% of the population. And this can be confirmed by observation.

You did not answer my questions concerning China's advances into SE Asia and the consequences for Australia. Can you give answers to my questions?
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 12:46:32 PM
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Mr Opinion,

My Stats were for Sydney from the 2012 census. And while the figures for Chatswood may well be >30% now, the outer suburbs have very few. But as I don't really care, I don't take an over arching interest in this.

Similarly, given the decline of the Chinese economy, its rapidly aging population, and declining birth rate, I see China's power plateauing. As for its attempt to extent political control over Aus, given that > 500m people stand between Aus and China, I think that China would be way over extending itself and the US would intervene long before.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 1 November 2015 2:07:09 PM
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Hi Shadow Minister,

I don't think you can rely on the US stepping in to protect Australia. It has no obligation to do so under the ANZUS treaty. It is not like NATO where each member must protect any other member if it is attacked.

I don't believe SE Asia provides a buffer to a Chinese attack against Australia. Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia have no love for Australia and I think they won't stand in the way of China.

Anyway, I don't think China will consider military action against Australia until it is satisfied that it is sure that it will be an easy takeover. This won't be until it is sure that it is in control of Australia's economic infrastructure and that it will find Australia has a complacent citizenry that is made up mainly of Chinese (I doubt very much that the Chinese in Australia will be willing to resist their fellow Chinese from the ancestral homeland just to protect Australia.) The new free trade agreement will now give China an opportunity to achieve these ends.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 3:42:17 PM
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Mr O,

"Come and spend some time here making the same observations that I and other Sydney people make every day and you will soon change your opinion."

It doesn't matter whether I live in Sydney, Perth or Upper Kumbukta West, my opinion won't change. I'm not basing my opinion on a stroll around Chinatown. I'm basing it on actual data from the ABS. I don't have the words to explain how spectacularly bonkers it is to dispute ABS figures based on personal, jaundiced observation. OMG !
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 1 November 2015 4:26:59 PM
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If the number of Chinese in Australia is so high, then surely some of them are reading this thread now - perhaps they can comment about their attitude to the prospects of being subjected to the Chinese regime here in Australia?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 1 November 2015 4:44:18 PM
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Dear mhaze,

The whole of Sydney is now Chinatown. You should really come here and have a look for yourself. Believe me, if you do you will start questioning those ABS stats yourself. I should take some photos of today's typical street scenes around Sydney and post them on this site for you to see.
Posted by Mr Opinion, Sunday, 1 November 2015 5:34:12 PM
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