Toni,

Muslims, by definition, follow and believe in the Qur'an, that's the problem.

//Muslims, by definition, follow and believe in the Qur'an//

Christians, by definition, follow and believe in the Bible. But they aren't all alike. Why does a holy book in one religion produce a hive-mind but a holy book in a different religion produce a plurality of views? How does that work?

You do not have to be Muslim to slaughter halal style. You have to be Muslim by faith. At Shepparton the slaughterman was Aboriginal. In Australia the animal is stunned, at the point of slaughter the animals are facing East, There was an Iranian flag on the wall to signify east.

There is no true Halal or Cosha slaughter done in Australia, as all animals are stunned before slaughter.

True Halal is done without Stunning. And so is cosha.
There is also a muslim supervisor at the slaughter.

Cosha kill is the animal is inverted with throat up and a sword is dragged across the throat.

A Sheep is stunned, then the head is pulled around a bollard with the animal facing east, the throat is then sliced.

The Shepparton works were killing sheep, pigs or goats, and beef. When the company got an export contract for Halal, the pig chain was closed down and converted to a Vealer chain.

26,000 sheep / day on two chains and 450 Cattle / day. on one chain.

Tony I once heard it expressed like this;
It is not possible to be a moslem and an Australian.

One of the major tennents of Islam appears to be an invocation to not
mix with non moslems, not make friends with infidels and if a moslem
leaves the faith his family will disown him/her.

To be more direct the the Koran instruction is to kill him/her.
I suspect that last bit is not enforced much at all, but in the
Middle East I suspect that it is enforced.

Would you believe there is an organisation that advises, protects and
hides those that defect here in Australia.

The Muslim supervisor at the abattoirs, was pretty straight up and down for a while then he found the engineers workshop. The muslim convert come aborigional and the supervisor found out they both were into Greyhound racing.

Besides the Muslim supervisor was allowed his oversized lunch box come esky to take what meat from the boning room every day that he wanted with a blessing from management.

The engineers workshop became his playground, with instructions from the Chief engineer that he was to have done what he wanted. A dog carrier was his first request, For 6 greyhounds, with ventilation spinners and painted white. Fully supervised by the muslim supervisor.

The engineers workshop had the key for the petrol bowser, which he made daily use out of. The chief was informed of this and he passed it on to management, which came back positive. When the workshop was deserted with personnel out on jobs, items would go missing.

So our chief employed a roustabout to tidy and sweep up to maintain a presence, we had a few goes at getting a roustabout to stay. The first one caught sight of bloody coloured water coming down the drain from a blocked pipe, he did not return. The second one was being escorted from the guard house to the workshop when he noticed a milk vat that was used for blood collection, which was overflowing. He did not start. The third one was a proper a-hole and we were stuck with him, no matter what we tried he stuck with the job.

At least he was brash enough to take care of the workshop, when engineers were out. His nick name was bolt neck. He resembled leargs from the Munsters.

Hi Tni,

' .... arguing that all Muslims adhere to these far-right beliefs ....'

A bit of red herring ? 'All' ? Who on this site has been arguing that ?

On the whole, my bet is that most Muslims adhere to moderately-right beliefs and that some, admittedly a tiny proportion, might even adhere to moderate-centre and even slightly-left beliefs. I would respectfully suggest that they are not much more right-wing than Australians as a whole: perhaps the Muslim mean is only 10-20 % to the right of an Australian mean.

After all, there is very little in any of Muslim ideas, even from the 'moderates', which could remotely be called left-of-centre since that's the nature of Islam: conservative, doctrinaire, dogmatic. Almost by definition, a good Muslim has to be as conservative, but not necessarily 'far-right'. Isn't that so ?

What am I talking about ? Okay: what sort of issues are seen to be 'left-wing' ?

* Homosexuality and gay marriage, for example [not that I think that they are particularly 'left].

* Doing something about climate change.

* Equality of women [the big one: now, there's something genuinely 'left', which even the 'left' have trouble with these days].

Do Muslims, on the whole, support them ?