Halel, applies to more foods than meat, even dairy and any products containing meat or dairy e.g short bread biscuits, yoghurt.

Hi Bazz,

Yes, I worked forty five years or so ago in a meat-works in NZ. I watched the slaughtermen on one occasion when I was free (I was in the fellmongery), and marvelled at how quick and clean they cut. The poor bloody sheep sticks his head through a flap, he is grabbed and - zip - and is done before he even knows what is going on. The knives were kept so sharp that they often took off the whole head in that one cut.

Is the Muslim method as humane ? Or are animals left to bleed slowly to death ? Is that yet another aspect of Islam that our useful idiots prefer to ignore ?

Joe

Japan doesn't seem to have a Muslim problem, I wonder why?

IS Mise, they do not allow immigration.
Even Koreans can't get in except there was prewar because Korea was
a colony.

//Let's get something straight: Islamo-fascism is fascism, it is a vile, right-wing movement, despite the left-wing pigeons flocking to appease it. It is about as right-wing as you could get and watching Bandt somehow justify an ideology whose adherents would gladly throw him off a high roof, I wonder how far apologetics could go.//

Yes, Islamo-fascism is a vile, extreme right-wing movement that should be opposed rather than appeased. However, arguing that all Muslims adhere to these far-right beliefs is like arguing that Christianity is right-wing: there might be some real areshole tory Christian scumbags out there like Fred Nile, but there are also plenty of lefty Christians out there like Father Bob. Christianity and Islam are both very big churches and thus necessarily very broad churches, with room for a plurality of views. Muslims are not all drones who share some sort of hive-mind, and I've never seen any evidence to support such a wild fancy: just the likes of Josephus asserting that this is the case. If I believed everything Josephus told me I'd be in a very sorry way indeed.

//is much of the meat in our shops now being killed by means which observed 'halal'//

It seems unlikely, unless your shop is a halal butchery. Speaking of which, the best name for a shop I have ever heard was a halal butchery called 'Halal... Is It Meat You're Looking For?' (if you don't get it go and listen to some Lionel Richie). Genius. Anyway, a quick survey of Coles online shopping service reveals that they stock 327 meat products, of which a whopping 9 are halal certified. They are all poultry, so steer clear of duck and chicken in supermarkets and you should be right. Pork is haraam (i.e. forbidden) by definition, and because of the way kangaroo is harvested it would be haraam as well. It's always clearly labelled anyway. If you prefer your local butcher's shop (I do) just ask the butcher about what you're buying. Once again, you're always safe with pig. Unless you're David Cameron.
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All vegetables are halal, as are eggs, fish and most dairy (if the dairy contains animal rennet from an incorrectly slaughtered animal it is haraam). Foods that contain alcohol, pork, or blood are automatically haraam; otherwise if a food contains products from a dead animal it may be haraam or halal depending on how the animal was slaughtered.

Dhabihah, the method of slaughter is remarkably similar to shechita, the method of slaughter used for kosher meat. Obviously the prayers are different, but the inhumane aspects - the lack of stunning and method of exsanguination are the same in both. It should be noted, however, that schechita must be performed by a Jew whereas dhabihah can be performed by any sane adult Muslim, Jew or Christian. Oddly enough, nobody ever objects to schechita. What's up with that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah