doog, "There is no true Halal or Cosha(sic) slaughter done in Australia, as all animals are stunned before slaughter"

That is NOT correct. There is slaughter in meatworks without prior stunning. There is a lot of private ritual slaughter too, but the RSPCA and police do not act on reports. The RSPCA is far too busy bothering grannies who put their cat rescue ahead of their own wellbeing and living arrangements. The RSPCA and PETA are indistinguishable where policy is concerned, some say.

The Rudd and Gillard plus Greens sidekicks governments actively avoided any discussion of Jewish and Muslim ritual killing, while always turning a blind eye to what the Commonwealth veterinarians and meat inspectors in the federal DPI were telling them was occurring.

Similarly the State DPIs, veterinary departments in ALL Australian universities, animals welfare bodies and the 'fact-finding' (they are joking!) ABC were fully aware of ritual killing, even while ABC journalists and talk fests like Q&A were criticising alleged ritual slaughter (some video reports were proved false, but never retracted) performed in Indonesia on Australian export cattle.

Farmers, beef producers and everyone down the supply side do NOT support ritual slaughter in Australia. Federal law and federal regulations that mandated humane stunning to unconsciousness and resultant death were eased to allow for ritual stunning to marginal unconsciousness for Muslims. But even so, ritual slaughter in complete contravention of even the eased regulations is still performed in some works and mainly affecting sheep.

The truth is that political parties, particularly Labor and Greens as proved time and time again by their actions, value the few percent of ethnic vote in marginal seats more than they value the will of the Australian people and Australian law. It is called creeping Sharia Law. Why hide that fact?

I was in 1973.
There are a number of small abattoirs in Australia that have an exemption to slaughter animals without stunning them first. This means that animals are fully conscious and experience pain and distress when their throats are cut.

Write to your state or territory Primary Industries Minister and demand they remove exemptions for un-stunned slaughter.

Australian law dictates that all animals must be stunned so that they are insensible to pain prior to slaughter. However, there are exemptions given to a number of abattoirs to meet a small demand in Australia for religious slaughter (all kosher and some halal products).

Fortunately, the vast majority of halal slaughter involves stunning prior to the throat cut. But, some halal and all kosher slaughter is carried out without prior stunning. Cattle must be stunned immediately after the throat cut but other animals, like sheep, goats and chickens, are left to bleed out until they die.

Doog, if the Iranian flag was on an eastern wall then the slaughterman's
backside was mostly facing Mecca !
The bearing of Mecca is approximately 280 deg.
If anyone wants to argue about it I will obtain the exact Great Circle Route bearing.

Apart from clearly being a religion and a vicious, tyrannical blue print for life for Muslims, most of whom had no say in the expectation that they would carry on the absurdities and horrors handed down through generations, Islam is the biggest threat to the West since Communism and National Socialism, neither of which were as dangerous as Islam is.

On the matter of danger to the West of religious/all things to Muslims doctrine of Islam, I forgot to mention a recent 'prayer' from one of my favourite commentators. I don't remember the exact words, so I am not quoting him, but it went: Lord, deliver us from Islam, and give our guns back, or words to that effect.

I know and respect the fact that many people are very leery about guns. I gave all of my guns up about 20 years ago because I had reached a stage where I couldn't honestly say I needed them and didn't want them stolen and used in crime. I am not advocating gun ownership, nor will I ever say that people of good character should not be able to purchase guns legally when a 15 year old Islamic terrorist can obtain a handgun ILLEGALLY and kill an innocent person in the name of a made-up god. Add bikies and organized crime figures for whom gun acquisition is much eaier than doing it the legal way.

The Islamic threat is going to increase, and anyone of us could find ourselves having to defend ourselves; the latest slaughter of an innocent man was random, and terrorists talk about random acts all the time. How can the goons we have playing at politics handicap AUStRALIANSwith draconian gun laws much tougher than other countries threatened by Islam?

Hi ttbn,

As an ex-Communist, I would have to agree with you, about all 'Utopian' philosophies: those which purport to have a blueprint, an unchangeable blueprint, of the Future, by which, regrettably perhaps, non-members - those who do not fit in - must be 'subtracted'.

In other words, I've come to understand that all 'Utopias', no matter how beautifully they are painted, become fascist. They require that anybody who questions, or does not fit in, must be exterminated - for the good of the whole, of course.

Maybe most variations or interpretations of all religions and ideologies can be stretched to that fascist point.

But, in line with Voltaire's dictum about the perfect being the enemy of the good, and Popper's (and Schopenhauer's?) principle that our goal should be, not to increase happiness but to eliminate misery, we should abandon any Glorious and Lofty Philosophies of the Distant, PPPerfect Future and focus on incrementally improving life for the most vulnerable, needy and downtrodden.

There can be a better world. But there can never be a Utopia.

Discuss.

Joe
Adelaide