skip my posts [thanks]

I dont have a 'personal thing' with Glenyce. - Yes offered to assist.
As a member of PALE I am banned.

They declaired war on RSPCA. PALE works inconjuction with an RSPCA Branch.
PALEs happy to work with everybody.! I think they have proved that to me at least with their MOU with AFIC and working realshonship with the legal body of Animal Welfare.

The problem is Animals Australia Animal Liberation Voiceless etc are appaulled by the push from pale to open more abattoirs to stop live exports. Umm Well if we dont slaughter here the they will keep going alive!

Its them who wont work with us NOT the other way around.

Dont you get it. Its a fund raiser. Glencye has made no secret she is trying to get rid of RSPCA and take control.

I would support that too if she was not trying to dictate to the 96 percent of Australians who eat meat.

Friends of PETA who have proven links with terrorists. No thanks I dont want that for myself,children or animals.

They Support Free range Farmers you say? huh? whats that?

They oppose abattoirs and cant endorse people eating meat.

Do you grow your animals for slaughter? Yes I thought so. So how does it help to say support free Range but run the only group out of the country that is working to reopen abattoirs Huh?

As you said your not growing your animals to make Babe films

Its been raised with the Federal Ministers claiming they are the 'peak body'.

Australians are not vegan veggies. They are mostly eat eaters . The public deserve to know the 'facts' 'before' forking out their millions. They also deserve to be represented by a balance other than 'just' veggies and vegan.

Bet the public doesnt know apart from RSPCA PALE are the only groups that are not veggies.

She would help animals to support pale to open plants to slaughter here.

Its only now the truths finally being told to public after years of putting up with her nonesense.



Antje Struthmann

cally, have a look at Nicky's history. Not a prolific poster but with a first post at "Nicky, Saturday, 2 April 2005 6:43:18 PM" not a newcomer either. Not that really matters, new and old are welcome to comment - you have the same posting rights with two posts to your credit as I have after several years and a large number of posts.

Why so angry at Nicky? Are you associated with an existing poster and taking her input personally?

This thread is an experiment to see if some of the personal discussions and conflicts which are off topic on article threads can be dealt with elsewhere. I suspect most prefer to keep their arguments in everybody elses faces so there is only a small number using it. Hopefully we are learning some things along the way.

Antje, that last post is more useful. You are providing some insights into why you don't like some of the other "animal welfare" groups. I did wonder if the organisations you are speaking about are NFP's and if so how your comments fit in with your views about protecting NFP's from potentially damaging comments. I've not checked back but my recollection is that you have previously expressed the view that NFP's should have some protection from on line comments which might harm them.

In regard to your comments about Yabby's views and my thinking he is interested in animal welfare - I've not noticed the post where he supports stuffing animals into car boots. I don't have to agree with everything another poster says to accept that they might be working towards some similar goals but with different emphasis and priorities. One of the great things about on line discussions is the opportunity to understand why those who choose a different approach do so. Often they have the same broad goals but are coming from a different place. That is both fun and educational.

R0bert

Hi PF - I'm with you about the ambiguous postings from People Against Live Exports. The Antje Struthman whose other written material I have read has been an eloquent defender of wildlife
Her writings also do not contain spelling and other errors, which deepens my concern about this. A polite enquiry to the Australian Wildlife Protection Council might point you/us in the right direction.
Like you, I agree that so many of the posts are links to stuff that People Against Live Exports are onvolved with. People Against Live Exports, if you believe that animal advocacy groups should disclose the source/s of their funding, perhaps you should lead the way and disclose the source of yours. You also make some sweeping generalizations about everyone in these groups being "veggie" - you have no possible way of knowing that and should therefore not make such unsubstantiated claims. More surprising still is your outlandish claim Glenys (note the spelling) has ambitions to destroy the RSPCA and "take control" - that is not something I have heard, seen or read, and is a product of your ongoing efforts to discredit every group but your own, for no better reason than they disagree with you on policy matters.

PF, is absolutely right in saying that AA's and Voiceless' camoaign is where such funding should be expended - to raise public awareness and jerk people out of their ignorance and apathy.Farmers of a "pioneering" (and compassionate spirit like PF cannot do it alone.

Yabby - it is irrelevant whether the animals in the Middle East seen being brutalized on Sixty Minutes were Australian or not (they were); the fact that such torture is routine in those countries is sufficient grounds for not sending any animals there at all.

PF, I have a friend who is interested in breeding free range "saddle-back pigs" - do you know anything about them (apart from what I heard on an ABC story yesterday; that they are rare). Are they miniatures? The story said they are black.
Are pigs the intelligent, inquistive, social creatures that I have read about?
Nicky

Nicky
You challenge my! Integrity?.
I dedicated my entire life to Animals!. Picking on peoples spelling. Not the wonderful work being done for animals. Shame!.
Shows your true nature and intellect. I am tired “simply”! tired and sure the animals wont mind.
Call me anytime I would be also happy to meet you. If you do not except this invitation “it will be on public record-“ remember that”

Why don’t we arrange a TV interview You v myself

I have it in writing from them that they can’t support re opening abattoirs or endorsing meat eating. Thats causing a major breakdown between farmers and main stream animal welfare organisations.
That’s not helping animals it’s hindering them. We HAVE to slaughter here.

I am a wild life lady who moved from South to help RSPCA QLD and pale with live exports.
Look back posted are PALEs funding months ago.

It seems to really upset you people pale works in conjunction with RSPCA QLD There’s most of the funding. I think the blind eye Program and the five page spread being anti RSPCA is enough proof of the anti RSPCA agenda .Not to mention the straight out statement that RSPCA should be replaced? .

As well we have five lawyers as members they put in their time and money. AFIC also. Wendy from her own pocket. That includes flowers to Animals Australia after the 60 minutes report. So there goes your theory we won’t work with them!

Nobody is paid a wage travelling expenses not one red cent.
We are not going to as Peter Singer wrote close PALE
And get our friends and family too sent all funding to Animals Australia. [Such Arrogance]

I am just as entitled to point out to the public “my policy’s Nicky”

. -You don’t think Animal welfare groups should offer to give their donations to farmers or to feed for animals in times of drought. Nor do you think it should be spend enlarging pens. So what do you think the public give their money for.?

Ban Live Exports- Slaughter in Australia
Antje Struthman

"It seems to really upset you people pale works in conjunction with RSPCA QLD"

You have that a little back the front. It upsets me that some of your posts put the RSPCA in a bad light and that things like calling for a royal commission into the RSPCA show little loyalty on the part of pale.

Honestly, if people thought their donations were going to rebuild farm infustructure I dont think they would be very quick to put their hands in their pockets. Anyway, enlarging pens defeats the whole purpose doesnt it? Hardly free range.

You are right about the meat eating thing antje. Unfortunately APL is quick to put that spin on any attempt by animal welfare groups to expose intensive cruelty. I do feel though that this latest campaign shows just how determined AA and Voiceless are in educating people about pig farming - meat eaters or not.

Robert
NO idea who Cally Is. Nor any member. If your really interested why dont you call RSPCA QLD and ask them about us. You have got it wrong Pale have been the victims of a vicious campaingn again the from vegeterian groups because they support farmers and want to open more abattoirs.
So you understand how pale has been treated here is just one example sent to our wonderful volunteers.>

Dear Sir, Madam

We have read the so called media release titled: Media Release sheep body parts.doc and we assume it emanated from this unknown group 'People Against Live Exports.'
We ALMOST threw it straight in the bin while we rolled around on the
floor laughing - but decided; better we give the author the benefit of some common sense.

May we suggest with all respect that the illiterate writer access
English and computer lessons as a matter of urgency? The spelling and grammar is just appalling as was the use of 'copy and paste' in this hilarious piece of pissy crap.

Please, do the world a favour: If it is this organisation who sent out this 'stuff' - dont! Stop sending this fictional, badly worded, meaningless, unfounded, baseless drivel out to media and save the organisation total embarrassment. You must be the laughing stock of the animal world because you are in the press and we have had a bloody good joke at the writer's expense.

Sadly, the need of the author to feed their ego with attention which has resulted in this piece of fantasy may have set back REAL animal welfare work by decades. There are some very intelligent, clever, people out in animal world, who have first hand knowledge of issues, understand the facts, and do not embellish (Big word I know-try looking it up in a dictionary!) or in the event of the lack of the truth - invent something. We in the press welcome their efforts. However, we do not welcome yours.

Yours sincerely

Youra Loonie

So Robert I am just defending RSPCA QLD Volunteers and policys to slaughter in Australia.

Antje Struthmann