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Antje, thank you for the compliments. I don't know how one would go about putting a hand up for the NCCAW, unfortunately, or even where they actually meet. A lot of the information I have I got from finding www.liveexportshame.com not so long ago, you are right, it is very comprehensive. There's some really good information on how old these terrible ships are and what is wrong with them.
I've also been looking at Animals Australia's website, and they are asking people to sign the pig pledge as you know, and ask for free range products, and also they campaign for a carcass only trade, so they cannot be totally out of sympathy with your ideals either. I wonder if there hads just been a lot of misunderstanding, and if the situation may not be irreparable? Just a thought. Obviously although I am a vegetarian I recognize that the world will not become that way in my lifetime, much as I would like it to. So I admire immensely what PF is doing and am happy to say so.
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Saturday, 18 November 2006 5:51:41 PM
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Nicky

The fact that you dont know much about the advisory board is what I mean. Nobody does thats my whole point. If we are ever going to change things, we must invlove main stream public. "Few do" know so dont feel silly or anything. The codes of practise[or lack of them] should be on every cornflake box and bottle of milk.

The same when is a Senate Enquiry- 'All the public should be informed' and members of groups asked to lodge something. These poly's are very aware of public concerns and it goes back to their votes. They dont worry too much when they only get input from group leaders. They say to themselves oh thats that animal lot again.

Start informing the public more about these enquiries and encourage them write as well and you might see a change in attitude from Senators. I can send you more info on NACCA if you contact me through the web email.
http://www.livexports.com/

It would be best to exchange posts on animal welfare on my new thread. Except for the fact that you can post four times here and only twice there or in the babe thread. Why is that. Does anybody know please?.

When I first started this work Nicky a CEO of RSPCA said- until groups work united together and support us nothing will change.[true] Yes aa say on their web convert to slaughtering here but refuse to play a part in making that happen.

Lets see what happens with PF and if there are offers to strong support. PF has already expressed interest in animal welfare and assisting people to set up as Free Range farmers in pork.

You dont get a bigger pluss than that. Yabby is right. Not much sense in telling people to demand it when there iS none. We need to get off our backsides and help PF to help others produce it. Thats THE most important thing that can happend.
Lets see if they are "really willing" to help establish Free Range Pork. If they let PF walk away they are crazy.
Antje
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 19 November 2006 6:28:19 AM
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Hi all
I agree wholeheartedly with the email Christmas cards, but what if we each made a hard copy of cards for just our local supermarkets and delivered them in person to the managers/meat section managers? The few discussions I've had with these people indicate that they really do NOT know what the difference between/relationships with anti-cruelty legislation and Codes of Practice. I've been told that they "support local suppliers and would never support one who does not comply with the CoP". So I have had to pin thrm down to explain it all - but sadly in most cases they still didn't want to know. Has anyone seen the Australian Pork Limited Animal Activist Watch website? It is truly tragic. It says things like Australian animal activists train with terrorist grouns and alludes to Al Quaeda. Perhaps what is happening has them worried.
Antje, it also has an article about a live export protest in Tasmania, and how several people were arrested, but "escaped" penalties. I remember reading about that one. That particular voyage (the subject of the protest) was one which was up there at the top of the mortality figures for the six month reporting period as well (I read about those).
Now Israel has suspended the trade in sheep from Australia and more than 500 calves have died, on another ship and in Israeli feedlots. The story and photographic evidence is just awful (I found it at www.liveexportshame.com).
Yabby, it is so good that you are contributing on the "welfare" side of things, and your ideas are great. Thanks for the effort.
Regards to all
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 19 November 2006 6:39:05 PM
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Everybody Hello. Pf if you want to post on the alternatives to Live Exports about Free Range Pork Farms feel free. You can post up to 4 times on that thread but only 2 on the babe one. It comes under the same umbrella because its to Free Range Farms we are supporting.

No Nicky I didnt see the link you speak of but USA are a big driver of Live Exports. George Bush being such a good Church person is bound to try to discredit people with a sense of common decency.

We in Australia are simply playing into enemy hands by Animals Australia being so publicly linked to PETA. This is just the beginning. Its only a matter of time before the public are lied to and brain washed into not listening to ANY Animal Welfare organisation. PALE has been warning about that for four years but they wont listen.
Now they have dragged Voiceless into being branded the same.
If we- All concerned Animal Welfare Groups and members of the public work collectivly together to introduce more Free Range Farms and especially work with overseas contacts currently taking animals alive then we will be doing something positive to redivert Live Exports.
We have got to actually get in and work to solve the problem instead of whinging and telling the Government to fix it.

They are not going to so so why keep harping. Work with Aussie farmers and overseas contacts to get the alternatives in place. Thats what will fix it makes more sense. Same with Free Range Pork Farms.
Fix the problem. Thats the real answer. PF can we start a Free Range co-op through yourself and friends?
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 20 November 2006 8:23:59 AM
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Hi all
I don't know that the US has much to do with driving live exports from Australia really. Possibly the closest link would be the generally fascist nature of the material on the APL websitr.
PETA did in fact run a great campaign in the Middle East, showing material in the various countries, and pointing out the torturous journey, and the treatment exported animals have faced before they have even left Australia. There's some detail at www.liveexportshame.com and if you go to the Newsflashes from "Export News Tasmania" some of the media stories are there from the newspapers in the Middle East.
Both PETA and AA are campaigning for a frozen carcass trade, from what I can see on the websites. PETA, although it does not condone slaughtering and eating animals, said that it was taking the pragmatic approach, recognizing that it was going to happen. AA strenuously denies that it is against farming, and I think has always adopted a "moderate" view when looked at in the same context as other animal advocacy organizations that I've had a look at.
Let's not get into the divisiveness again; let's keep the end goal/s in focus - freeing the pigs and ending live exports.
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Monday, 20 November 2006 6:44:07 PM
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Nicky
Nicky
you have to understand the meat industry and trade to see the American influence. Trust me without them driving it we would get it banned. We should be using the animal sites instead of Roberts car park.
oK well after many years I believe everything has increased. So if we want to stop intensive we start more free range and market it properly.
if we want to stop live exports we find alternatives.
I dont hear any ideas or imput from AL or AA.- sorry.

I am waiting to see if they are prepaired to work on fixing the problems.

Somebody has to get off their bums and just do more free range pork and build more abattoirs etc.
Wishing isnt doing.
Mean while all these trades are increasing.

They are against people eating meat Nicky its as simple as that.

Look at PF. Would you not think it would be sensible to work with PF and create many more Fre range Pork Farmeres?

Of course its the answer.
Anyway you guys just keep raising funds to pay yourselves in a job while others look for alternatives.
Talk about putting heads in the sand.

If we fix the problem instead of complaing it might help.

It can be done but only if everybody helps towards establishing more abattoirs to divert live exports and more free range farmers to grow pork
Gor goodness sake Nicky running around telling people to buy free range pork - when there isnt any is silly
Makes more sense to help PF create many more.
So what alternatives do they have after twenty five pluss years?
None.

Give me some input to getting overseas live importers into Australia please.
I understand the farmers frustration
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 20 November 2006 8:18:02 PM
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