I dont understand why you posted that antje.

It was unsigned wasnt it? Are you saying it was from one of the animal welfare groups?

I doubt any of would know of the 'media release' mentioned so cant comment. I would have just thrown it in the garbage were it belongs.

I agree the Voiceless ads will help. Personally I'm disappointed after seeing them on the Australian Story saying they were main stream they got themselves tied up with "vegetarians policies.

Dont get me wrong anything is better than nothing. The fair go for Farm Animals run Nation wide by RSPCA also helped.
Everybody saw on landline the pork farmers saying they could not afford to implement the new codes for pens for pigs.

Yes the pens should be bull dozed not made a tiny bit bigger. Unfortunately we can only work within the law and the codes of practice. There is no reason why new free range blood can not be introduced into Australia for Free Range re Pork.
People like yourself are like hens teeth. So much knowledge. A franchise arrangment with a experienced paid adviser such as yourself supported by Woolworths RSPCA AA other groups would be a huge help to not only animals but the public purchasing the products.

Yes the Australian Labour Party are responsible for so much. Shouldnt we tell the public in a language they understand? I hope the court case won yesterday will somehow allow staff to come in and service abattoirs etc.
I agreed with Nicky if RSPCA are misusing funds natioally there should be a Royal Commission.
Thats not being disloyal. Its being loyal to the animals and the Australian public. I have to be fair just because we are lucky enough to have a wonderful CEO in QLD doesnt mean I should not agree there is possibly room for improvment.
I know you will be angry with me for saying this but ask yourself how much notice these people took of you on the pig forum until I made an issue of it?
When Voiceless AA AL make someone like you an offer they cant refuse and have that persons face all over TV and Schools and on packs and pay Free Range Farmers a commission I will be a very happy lady.
Sadly I know- might fly before that happens

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Antje Struthmann

Hello everyone. The difference between the tone of the last two or three posts by People Against Live Exports is quite remarkable. I really don't understand why that part relating to a media release was posted either, but I do know a bit about what the story was about, I think. It is not relevant to this debate, anyway.

I really cannot see that there is anything to be gained by anyone if I were to meet with People Against Live Exports (even if I were silly enough to even think about it), and I cannot begin to imagine what a television interview would be about, much less think of a television network which would be remotely interested in such a notion. So thank you, I shall decline those generous offers (and that makes it public ... dear me!) .

PF, you have a wonderfully refreshing approach to what you do. I, like lost of other people, no doubt, hadn't thought that one step further; simply leaving animals in open paddocks to care for themselves, although described as free-range, overlooks the fact that we have "domesticated" these animals, and they do require additional care. Thank you for pointing that out. Also your approach to the notion of members of animal advocacy groups wanting to contribute to farmers' costs to remedy the evils they have created which include sow stalls, and battery cages. I agree, most would be horrified to think that money they have donated was to be used to help people who have made a handsome living out of animal suffering for years, then cry poor when they have to make good their cruel ways. As someone earlier pointed out, the costs would have been in setting up the intensive operations, not in dismantling them.

Programs in the schools is a good idea; children can be amazingly persuasive, and depending on the age, untainted about the influence of the cost factor. If everyone who reads this thread got one of AA's excellent infoirmation packages and used it wisely, it would make a world of difference.
Nicky

Antje, "NO idea who Cally Is. Nor any member. If your really interested why dont you call RSPCA QLD and ask them about us. You have got it wrong Pale have been the victims of a vicious campaingn again the from vegeterian groups because they support farmers and want to open more abattoirs."

I've not tried to find out who Cally is. I was interested in why the anger towards Nicky but that question was directed at Cally, I don't expect you to be able to answer it.

I'm not sure what you think I've got wrong in the other part I've quoted from your post. I'm not denying the possibility that PALE has had problems elsewhere. My observations have been about the behaviour I've seen on this site.

Keep up the posts about animal welfare and the issues you see in that field, that stuff is helpful even if primarily to give hints for our own research.

R0bert

Nicky.

I was addressing your 'deep concerns' regarding my ID. You want to contact the Australian Wildlife Protection Council '"you/ us/" to enquire about 'me'. A ""polite enquiry ""you say.

Well Nicky there is no need to contact Maryland Wilson but you go right ahead if you wish to waste your time while I get on with the task of helping animals!

I offered you to call me direct. I have always posted in my real name. Or call RSPCA QLD

Dont worry about the media not being interested. They approached me.

Now thats sorted what difference does it make who is working to help animals Nicky- I am sure the animals wont mind.

See thats the difference between us. Yabby was right about that if nothing else. Why should the publics money be used on such nonesense. "Me" I am educating the public about how 'some' Animal Welfare groups operate.

After twenty years of AA live exports has more than trippled.Intensive farms the same. So whats the problem with everybody working towards the one goal. Why so much agro?

I see you know something about 'that email' and the WA ship do you Nicky? mmm
The email was posted for Roberts sake 'and to educate the public' about the unethical and disgusting bullying that has gone on by extreme people.
Anybody wanting to help animals that have independant ideas not complying with extreme vegetarian especially opening abattoirs are attacked.
That was just one email to give people an idea of the viciousness.

There are more dozens more. It just gives the people some 'insight'.

The gentlman who stayed out all night gathering information and contacting media was Chinese. One journalist was so impressed by his efforts he wanted to do a frontpage article in the QLD Sun.[ despite his english and typo] The story was about another Cormo right here in Australian waters WA. Ming was bitterly disappointed when PACAT relayed they were intructed not to speak or work with PALE by Animals Australia.
Pity for the animals sake too.
Antje Struthmann defending the right to not be extreme.

Forgive me, People Against Live Exports, if I say that I find the claim that the media have approached you as "dubious", to say the least.
As far as the story of the email is concerned, my understanding is/was that it was not People Against Live Exports' story to tell, whatever was released had been provided in confidence to organizations including yours, and your organization released it prematurely, and lacking in proper foundation at the time. More facts needed to be ascertained rather than going off "half-cocked" with half the story.
Rather than spending your time "educating" people about (against) other animal advocacy groups, you would be better educating it about intensive farming - not only pigs, but battery hens, the way broiler chicks are raised and feedlots as well. Doing what you are is simply counter-productive; trying to discredit other groups because they have a different set of values from your own helps no-one, including the animals you claim to be so concerned about.
Just an observation...
Nicky