I dont care what you find 'dubious'.

You have done nothing but try to discreit me [ie Who is she really? My integrity, Knowledge.

The WA ship story 'had' to be confirmed of course! by a WA eye witness.
You dont think the media contacted anybody for a story? There you go again.
I am educating people about animal welfare in Australia Nicky.

I am showing the public where most of the enery goes- into picking fights.
If my names was whistle dixy posting on here it wouldnt matter.

There is no requirment for people to use their real names- worst luck.

If you were such a animal lover then you would be happy to see anybody and everybody posting about animal welfare.


What the Australian public need to know is we wont stop live exports until we get out there and work with! the farmers instead of against them.

Offer some real alternatives to live exports and intensive farming.

That means stop bagging people trying to get abattoirs reopended. It means more than that too.
It means get in there and do anything possible to lend a hand to make that possible.

It means activley promote establishing free range farms not just say you are while taking donations .

I am proud of my name Nicky.

Well if you care to contact me I am happy for you to have the media contact details.

It should be hoped nicky after you play Sherlock you would then be happy to assist animals rather than try to destroy my good name.

I want you to know Nicky you have really upset me personally with your continued swipes.

I think you owe me an apology. I didnt have to offer to speak with you or meet with you or for you to contact RSPCA QLD but! I did.


Your not helping the animals.

Also you didnt answer my question 'please'- regarding what you think NFP animal welfare organisations should do with public donations?

Antje Struthmann

Released - 16th November 2006

SENATOR ANDREW BARTLETT Queensland Democrat Senator

Live Export suspension Must Be A Catalyst for Change

Democrat Animal Welfare spokesperson, Senator Andrew Bartlett has called for a rethink of the live export trade in the wake of Israel’s suspension of live sheep imports from Australia due to health concerns.

“This is the latest in a long line of problems with Australia’s live export trade and it is way past time that this inhumane practice was ended,” Senator Bartlett said.

“It is another reminder why the federal government should stop propping up such a problematic and troubled industry and take steps to phase it out.

“If the government is concerned about the livelihood of farmers and jobs in Australia it should be doing more to expand the frozen carcass and processed meat trade.

“Economically it makes more sense to value add to a product and create jobs here rather than having ship load after ship load of animals rejected and trade suspended due to the poor health of livestock.

“Live exports are unnecessarily cruel to the animals shipped abroad and their poor treatment and substandard living conditions are well documented.

“The Minister’s version of events about this latest incident should also be taken with a grain of salt, given the long history of cover-ups, deceit and denials when it comes to the live exports trade.

“The trade must be phased out sooner rather than later. The government should focus on ensuring the viable alternatives are ready to pick up the slack,” Senator Bartlett concluded.
Media contact- Tracee mcPate
Reply to Senator Bartlett.
After twenty years of similar Media Releases as firstly President of Animal Liberation Qld than as a Senator perhaps if we explain to the public the Australian Labour Party are hugely responsible for live exports due to their unions.
Yes to supportive alternatives to live exports is the answer. Here is A alternative that was subbmitted to your Animal Welfare Senate Enquiry last year by AFIC Australian Federation of Islamic Councils RSPCA QLD pale.

Perhaps you did not see it.?


http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:MEz59CSzgzMJ:www.aph.gov.au/senate/committee/rrat_ctte/animal_welfare05/submissions/sub72.pdf+halal+kind+meats&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=2

Antje Struthman

Senator Bartlett in fact is not, as is implied here, anything to do with the Australian Labor Party; he is the Deputy Leader of the Australian Democrats, and yes, I had received that media release.
What do I think NFP organizations should do with their accumulated funds? I think I did cover that earlier. They should be doing what Animals Australia, Animal Liberation, PACAT and Voiceless are doing so well at present, public exposure campaigns about intensive farming (and live exports). I do not belong to any organized group, and have no donations or funding to account for.
"Educating people" about what animal advocacy groups are about (i.e. portraying them as fighting amongst themselves) is an erroneous claim - it seems pretty clear that no-one else is fighting - everyone else is running good campaigns; it is simply that they have refused to fall into line with the abuse, demands and complaints of your organization. But reiterating that is probably an exercise in futility.
As for the media contact about the "Maysora" episode, I think it more likely that the media would have sought comment from those closer to the incident and from the peak body Animals Australia. This was, I think, the case, but you attempted to usurp the material for your own benefit.
As for "upsetting" you - for all our sakes, get over it. Put something a little bit constructive here that is worth discussing.
Nicky

Nicky
The WA Ship was the good work of Animals Angels and Dawn. The media needed to cover it 'with her'. For years Animals Australia has run different progects yes. However they have an 'absolute obligation' to the Australian public to disclose their strong vegetarian slant.Well hello how else do you stop live exports.
If we want to stop live exports then we must slaughter here.


You say Andrew is not like anything implied here- Whats that Nicky?
Senator Bartlett is a political person a vegan a strong supporter of PETA AA AL. He has been around a long time in the Animal Welfare Industry. This is not America

A senator should not allow his personal preferences or friendships get in the way. He might be vegan but most of the Australian public are not.

Its a fact they give their preferences to ALP so I am only asking why he does not explain the problem to the public in terms they clearly understand.
Labour are still the reason we cant bring in abattoir workers from overseas to service plants instead of sending these poor animals alive.
Hes a leader an spokes person for Animal Welfare. Tell the public Andrew why we have live exports. Lets educate the public as to why- here is why Nicky- ALP unions and the trade dollar!

Thats a good idea of Yabbies so why not support it. Saying great idea go for it doesnt get the job done.

Why dont you start a thread of your own .

Whatever it is you do for Animals Nicky I support you. I know you sincerly care. Please in return if you cant support my work do not spend your life trying to discreit me.
Thats not helping the animals.

Yabby PF together have got a wonderful idea. Why dont you put your efforts into helping them get AL AA to support for that instead of trying to discreit me.
You would think ALP would wake up this is a vote winner.
Nicky lets not argue. Lets work for animals
What do you say
http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php
Antje

That sounds absolutely fine with me, People Against Live Exports. I am not entirely without sympathy for your position. I recognize that people will not stop eating animals in my lifetime, and do not try to persuade them otherwise beyond asking that they buy free-range. I am also sympathetic to the view that a frozen/chilled meat carcass trade can and should be substituted for sending animals alive to these hell holes. Have you seen a website called www.liveexportshame.com? I thought it was pretty good.
Nicky

Nicky
Yes I have seen it. Its linked to ours. To be honest I thought that was yours now. Or am I speaking out of turn. It was started by Dawn low. Fantasic amount of work and very knowledgable person. Maybe your not who I thought you were. I do wish OLO would make people use their real names[ If only for my curiosity] It would be good working at a less stressful pace between us Nicky. Yes I would welcome that. I would like to share with you if I may all our dreams and prayers for the future. There is a wonderful man Nicky and his name is Ikebal Patel. He is sensitive intellergent and he really cares about Animals. His daughter is already working with WSPA. Ikebal is standing for the elections next as AFIC president. If? he wins we can hope to see a lot more imput into finding alternatives to live exports and animal welfare in general. We are keeping eveything crossed and praying to both Gods to be honest. Apart from Animal Welfare Australia needs his sensible guidence.

You have a good knowledge of the codes and industry Nicky.
Far more so than I. The different advisory boards the records of happenings with the different ships are clearly in your head.
That type of knoweledge is priceless and if you dont mind my saying somebody should be paying you to run something. I believe we need to bring funds in from overseas because I cant see Australians coming up with it. I also know that the Halal requirements are going through the roof so would like to start there. They are very interested in the Halal vegtables and one day I am sure we can open that chain of fast food outlets produced through the vegetable farms.
People will always eat meat so if we start by slaughtering here and also promote the Alternative food products one day maybe we can at least make it kinder. You seem pretty familar with NCCAW yourself . Have you ever considered throwing your hat in?
Antje