i thought it..may help..to find the place,where the unborn fetus go
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf
pdf page..60
page 48..proper

<<..I found..we were in a
kind of crèche,..where all the immature..and premature children went.

“‘How soon may it be said..that a soul comes into existence
when a child is conceived?’ I inquired...‘It is evidently not at birth.’

My guide replied,..‘Even I cannot tell you the precise moment when the soul..enters the fleshy home..which clothes it..but it is extraordinarily early...[gray-streak stage]

*As soon..as the germ has..definitely ceased to be a germ
and has begun to grow..into a human body,..then..a soul enters it.

But we do not know..how God performs this wonder.
That is hid,..even from us to whom much is plain.

Of this..at least..you can be sure..that long before the child “quickens,”..a soul has become enshrined in it.’

“I now directed..my attention to the scene around me,
and saw that the creche..was full
of gentle,..sweet-faced women..who watched over the little immature atoms.....

We passed to other rooms,..and found that in each new one..the babes were more advanced..than in the last.
At length we reached a long room..with a table down the middle. ..his was the one
you saw in the mirror,..and I gathered it was..the ‘top form’..[graduation room used..prior to leaving]..of the school.

“Here I met Sister Maria,..whom I greatly liked,..but found she was so much more spiritual than I..that it was difficult to keep in touch with her...‘Do you have a chapel with
continuous service?’ I asked.
“‘Oh yes’” she replied... ‘“Work and pray.”..You know the old monastic proverb.’

edited

This is not a House of Refuge,..and no lost
souls from Hell come here..to pollute this happy spot.

The children..are borne here..by their
guides,,or guardian angels,..who though they have no work to do on earth,..yet have the same sort of work..as any of us here.

Generally,..if possible,..a relative of the “dead” child
is brought,..*if suitable,..to mother it;

but,alas,..many have no such relatives here.

They..(the relatives)..are often too evil to be permitted..to help.

No evil thing..is admitted within these
walls,..although it stands..in Hell...>>..

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

Suseonline,

Thank you for your reply which I read closely.

As I write this I am reminded of my many relatives and friends in the group that (sadly) leads in the number of abortions, the 25-35 age group.

If you are implying that women are finding it hard to find a life partner, I reckon you are right. Why is another thorny issue that is not solved by the countless 'He lacks commitment' articles in women's mags. Knowing young men I would caution women against ever telling them that they are not interested in marriage or children though. Because young men have been strongly conditioned by feminists not to ask again. They accept the statement and move on, never to ask again. Rejection and pain develop a long memory, which is fair enough.

However I do believe that both sexes put off the serious commitments of life, examples being marriage and children until they have finished the level of education apparently demanded by employers. [I could go off on a side street to wonder why teachers and others give youth the target and expectation of university study when there are perfectly good careers going begging that don't require it.]

I sense too that some are too 'into' consumption and cannot easily control their expenditure on lifestyle and depreciating 'assets' to be able to build a financial base, or even think that doing that is possible.

However, the loss of full-time work and the casualisation of employment must be having an impact. One cannot overestimate the effect on the psyche of young people of seeing their parents, their friends and possibly themselves, of the bargaining and contracts that were introduced, and the restructuring that made old men out of fifty year olds and cast them on the scrap heap.

Perhaps I will leave it at that, except to confirm that the public should be concerned if so many young people are being forced by circumstances beyond their control to abort children they want. It is a national calamity.

Without the gathering and analysis of data, who is to know?

I agree with everything you said onthebeach (rare, I know : ).

I still think free contraception for both men and women would help.
Surely that would be worth a try, and would probably be cheaper than the cost of all the abortions?

It really is a national disgrace...

Dear Suseonline,

Free contraception for men and women is not enough. It also requires a cultural change in men and women. It is a while since I was in the army, but I doubt that the attitude has changed enough. Some men regard it as macho to go in 'bareback'. They have contempt for condoms.

Some women also feel that sex should be spontaneous and not something planned for. Use of contraceptives would indicate that it was anticipated and planned for.

It would also help to avoid alcohol and other drugs as those mitigate against taking precautions. Unfortunately alcohol and other drugs are often a prelude to sex.

Full instruction in the use of contraceptives and effective programs to change attitudes towards their use are also necessary. It is easy enough to get contraceptives so those who want them can get them.

I agree that free contraceptives should be available but think that by itself would make little difference.

Health costs have increased. That could be one factor.

Unfortunate that some people, including people on fixed incomes and low wage earners cannot afford the doctor's visit any more.

@suse/poirot

you are married?
you have children?

you feel the baby moved in your womb?
that is not life?

the problem with depending on moral values defined by the law is precisely that

today, life is at 3 mths
then next year life is at 6 mths
and then it is 6 months 2 days
then it is 6 months 4 days

and you say it is legal because the law say so

how naive
how hypocritical and you call me hysterical?

you compare killing your unborn child with hanging a convicted murderer?
have more love and respect for your children you killed
you compare hanging a convicted murdurer with me discipling my children

wonder who is lost?