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Fertility rate of 1.8 and we are still murdering our own unborn babies?

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Dear david f,

I did read what you posted, and did not misread or misunderstand, however, you appear not to understand my response.

> However, a sperm is not only a human cell. It is an entire individual.<

You have stated the above a number of times, and in respect of both a sperm and an ovum.
But, you fail to accept that a sperm (or an ovum) contains only half the mitochondria necessary to undergo cell division/replication and cell differentiation to form a living human being. Therefore it follows that neither a sperm or an ovum, individually, may be considered to be 'an entire individual' - as, individually, neither is capable of becoming 'an entire individual'.

If you have some information which demonstrates otherwise - and therefore contradicts accepted science - I wouldn't mind being pointed to an appropriate reference.

(Or, are you merely playing with words, and meaning only that a sperm, or an ovum, is an entire living individual 'cell', and nothing more? I could agree with that.)
Posted by Saltpetre, Monday, 2 September 2013 1:30:33 AM
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Dear Saltpetre,

A sperm is a haploid individual. An individual does not have to be diploid in either plants or animals.
Posted by david f, Monday, 2 September 2013 7:14:12 AM
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Fascinating discussion full of philosophical complexities...

As far as I can remember, rather than haploids or diploids, I am more concerned with my amyloids.

If an individual is characterised by a complete set of chromosomes, then isn't a somatic cell twice the individual of a gamete? In any event, aren't they then equivalent to the individual human who produced them?

It occurs to me that I could be accused of committing suicide millions of times...

Just as well we don't have to have a funeral each time one of these individuals dies.
Posted by WmTrevor, Monday, 2 September 2013 9:39:01 AM
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Every sperm is sacred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 3 September 2013 7:02:17 AM
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