lets get to the meat..of the maTTER
for too long we have been fed milk

see this materialist world..is divided..
into fixtures..and fungibles...each having its own duties/dominion

[recall cain and able..]
one presented..the fat..of his fungibles..[LAMB]
to god..

and god was pleased..
WHY?

because able..the 2 de born..was a good Sheppard*
who helped..*put the fat on..his sheep/fungibles..via just doing his job..!

ie keeping his flock safe..
finding good water..good grass..
letting them rest..not stress out..not letting wolves kill them..etc

and the fat ..even of one dead lamb
witnessed*..PROVED/VALIDATED..his good shepherding...via his dominion*..over his flock

cain however..was keeper of the fixtures..[first born]
thus inherited his fathers curse..[land that refused to yield]
he KILLED the few..*LIVING SEEDS..burnt them..then presented the dead corpses to god..

[and god was displeased....

not only MURDERING manYfold seeds..[in ignorance]
ie murdering seeds..only god can make to live..but further despoiling..their corpses.into some mushy burnt mess..

well the keeper..of the fixtures
killed the lord..of the fungibles..

having dominion,,over things..needs wisdom
and what a difference..between the first/last

further expanded on..in the lost sheep parable
except the lost sheep..in that case..was his first sheep..[that is the sole..inheritance of the 2/3rd born..as the estate goes to the 1st

anyhow in-time..
the 2 de born..has 100sheep
but one goes missing..and he deserts the 99.looks for the 1..why?

she was the mother..of the rest..[MOTHER'S DUTY DOMINION]
she did most of the work..of finding good grass/good water/safety/shelter etc

[for her to leave..may indicate a huge problem..
so..love..plus a little self interest..sees him DESERT..the 99
[who without the TRUE live-in living Sheppard/MOTHER..would surely die at any rate]

the same protector issue..arises from the fo0l who caught one big PROTECTOR fish..plus 100small..[it was protecting]..he took the big protector fish..and the 100..were soon KILLED/EATEN/DISPERSED..BY bigger

BECAme fish food

as..jesus said..more blessed is the lion..that become man
[ie is eaten to sustain man]..than is blessed a man become meat for lion.

Dear david f and Yuyutsu,

“If we are isolated in ourselves, we only have what we have we cannot grow culturally. But if we instead go to meet other people, other cultures, other ways of thinking, other religions, we go out of ourselves and we begin that so beautiful adventure called dialogue. When there is a problem, dialogue, this is what brings peace! In comparison with the other person, in comparison with other cultures, even in the healthy comparison with other religions, one grows and matures.

Of course there is a danger if the dialogue closes and one gets angry, one can fight… It is the danger of fighting, and that's not good for us because we meet each other to dialogue, not to argue. … If you don’t think like me, I think in a different way and you don’t convince me but we are still friends, … I’ve heard how you think and you’ve heard how I think.” (Pope Francis to Japanese students, 21. August 2013)

Dear Yuyutsu,

Your definition still excludes real religions which do not fit your definition. I think we have reached an impasse.

Dear George,

Pope Francis made a good statement.

Dear David,

Earlier you wrote that my definition of religion "is just unreasonable".
I think I now understand why you believe so: because it relates to God.
For one who pays no importance to God, it is understandable that ANY definition that includes God seems unreasonable.

I am aware that dictionaries have different definitions for 'religion', but who wrote those dictionaries?

A house from outside is bricks and roof - from inside it is painted walls and decorations, etc. An aeroplane from outside is a buzzing shape in the sky - from inside it is seats, little folding tables and screens, overhead lockers, etc. Think for example on how the first European settlers viewed the Australian aboriginals compared to how aboriginals viewed themselves - my description of 'religion' is how it looks from inside, by religious people - yours seems to be how it looks from outside, by non-religious people.

Of course your eye may catch certain external features of people that you believe to be religious, then you may think that this is what makes them religious:

Is an organisation religious because it makes people sit in pews every Sunday? or collects donations? or sing certain songs? or eagerly promotes a common cause?

- A football club may also answer that definition!

Then why do I exclude a football club from the list of 'real religions'?

- Because religion has a unique function that football clubs have not - to bring people closer to God.

Similarly if a particular church fails to bring its followers closer to God, then it is no longer a religion - perhaps it was a religion 200 years ago (or perhaps it never was), but if now it no longer performs the function of a religion, then it is not.

- But I do understand that when viewing religion from the outside, my definition seems to you meaningless because from that outside perspective nothing ever brings anyone closer to God. Why then you don't simply state, "there is no such thing as religion"?

Dear Yuyutsu,

I don't state there is no such thing as religion because there is such a thing as religion. I face reality.

Religion exists, and any definition of religion must take into account all types of religion or it is not a reasonable definition of religion. God is a feature of some religions and not of other religions.

You simply restate your definition which excludes some religions.

As Moynihan said, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

I see no point in continuing this discussion.

im not content..<<There is a danger
if the dialogue closes..*and IF..one gets angry >>>

one can CHOSE..to fight…
or one can chose to turn..the other..[what cheek?]


<<It is the danger [LOVE OF}..of fighting,[that attracts demons..whotoo love a goopd blue...<< and that's not good for us because we meet each other to dialogue, not to argue. >>

just like warmonger..hear the voices of war]\let us jointogather inthe peace,,not pieces

<<If you don’t think like me,>>
thats just perfect,,as youhavethyownguides..thy ownreasons for being ..just as dowe all

<<..I think in a different way>>..
and EVEN IF..you don’t convince me..you must KNOW..<<we are still friends,>>

NOWthat,,<< … I’ve heard how you think
and you’ve heard how I think.”>>..itrust we both feel we have recieved as much as we have given

(Pope Francis to Japanese students, 21. August 2013)
johannine..to a few of gods good minds..of the many truly good men