platypus,

You held up the notion of "the sanctity of human life".

You represented it as an "absolute morality" handed down from on high - "God".

I asked you that if the "sanctity of human life" is an absolute morality handed down from God, then how can you make exceptions in your call to take a human life?

my dear poirot
you do not take another life on your own
it is handed down by the courts of law
if you do, it will be revenge
if the courts sentence it, it is justice
we can discuss the issues of kangaroos courts in a seperate discussion

it is sad that members here cannot see the need for us to have moral values higher than the law
of course we need to have moral values in line with the law...higher yes and i believe we should ( theistic vs humanistic)
God forbid... and you should never have moral values below the country's law...you end up running foul of the law then

i submit myself to the country's law because Bible teaches me to submit to authourity
BUT... no way will my values go down to the common humanistic level
for moral issues, i follow the law of God

you had abortions before
you should ask God for forgiveness for the babies you killed..your own children
dont call murder any other name
you cannot kid yourself

i am glad Lexi never had any abortions
good on her

Dear platypus1900,

The law does not define what is moral. The law defines what is legal. Morality is not the same thing as legality. It can be monstrous when government tries to enforce morality. The purpose of the law is to maintain social order not to enforce morality. Giving pregnant women the access to medically safe abortions is better for social order. It fulfills the needs of those who want or need abortions. It eliminates the backyard butchers and the DIY coat hanger abortions. It eliminates corruption since illegal abortionists generally make payoffs to the authorities to continue their practice. Outlawing abortion would take us back to an ugly past.

Geoffrey Fisher, Archbishop of Canterbury, said, “In a civilized society, all crimes are likely to be sins, but most sins are not and ought not to be treated as crimes. Man’s ultimate responsibility is to God alone.”

You are free to regard abortion as a sin. However, it is not a crime under the laws of Australia. There is no reason that the laws of Australia should enforce your idea of sin. You believe in God. Why not leave the determination of sin to her?

@david
surely you will know i understand what you wrote?
i am talking about life
your own baby
i understand it when a careless man ignores a life he helped created
what surprises me is when a woman is just as flippant

when is a life not a life?
30 days?
31 days?

again please dont be like one of colleagues
she foolishly said..90 days
i then asked her why about 89 days?
she said i am being difficult

i just cannot understand poirot and suse when they are willing to end their baby's life but fights tooth and nail for a convicted murderer

at least Lexi is more consistent... or at least she tries to be

You married?
Your wife had abortions?
both of you felt it was convenient as the baby is not wanted?
you end your child's life when it depended on you for protection
your baby didnt ask to be conceived
you and your wife conceived your child in heats of passion or parental love?
careless?
dont bother with contraceptions or selfish desires at condoms will spoil your spontaneity in love making
killing your child as a form of contraception?

How sad and tragic.
And you folks come to this forum to preach about protecting rights and the life of criminals?

platypus,

"you do not take another life on your own
it is handed down by the courts of law
if you do, it will be revenge
if the courts sentence it, it is justice
we can discuss the issues of kangaroos courts in a seperate discussion"

My question (as you well understand) goes to the notion, put forward by you, that the sanctity of human life is an "absolute" God-given morality.

You said:

"this bloke should have been shot or hanged"

So I'm not talking about taking the "law" into your own hands. I'm referring to you advocating that some humans be "shot or hanged" by authorities.

That view would seem to suggest that your version of the God-given morality on the sanctity of human life is "not" absolute.

Hi Platypus,

By equating abortion with murder, you would equate a person with the plans for a person. Such is unlikely the case, even in God's eyes. Take the many cases of identical siblings, where the same sets of plans produce different people. Consider also chimeras, where two sets of plans make one person. What makes the person from the plans is the mother, and I cannot see how a decision not to proceed can be murder, when clearly no person has been created at that point.