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Fertility rate of 1.8 and we are still murdering our own unborn babies?

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Dear Banjo,

<<Few opinions expressed about late abortions. Maybe the question is just too difficult?>>

It is a continuum. The degree of sin increases with the development of the baby. Nothing particularly drastic occurs when a foetus grows for an exact number of weeks or when it is born and starts breathing (unless you believe in astrology...).

Murder is sinful (e.g. removes you away from God) because by taking away another's body you cause suffering to that other which you wouldn't want inflicted on yourself. That suffering includes physical pain, the thwarting of the other's plans and ambitions and the loss of their education, hence it increases as they grow, become more aware of their body, develop more plans and ambitions and invest more in their education.

Taking the life of an early-stage foetus is comparable perhaps to killing a mosquito or a beetle, taking the life of a late-stage foetus is comparable perhaps to taking the life of a carp, while taking the life of a 1-day-old baby is comparable perhaps to taking the life of a sheep or a cow.

Now you face the consequences - how much do you love God, to what degree are you willing to forego your instincts and worldly desires in order to come close to Him and be good.

Dear Platypus,

<<can you find evidence there is no God?>>

Of course not - there is nothing but God, so how could one ever step out to find such evidence?

However, 'existence' is a relatively modern idea - it did not concern the ancients, it is a material/scientific concept rather than a religious one. The idea as if God exists is an error, because it leads to a logical contradiction: everything that exists is limited while God is not. In the least, everything that exists cannot unexist, so what kind of a god is thus limited? limited gods are not God but mere idols, so we should have no interest in them nor worship them.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:09:11 PM
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its likely out of context
but noted..it regardless

dear david..quote..<<..but the king knew her not.>>

this is a key point..she was still a virgin.
thus a 'new' one was utilized..just to warm up..one we could loose

[ie a test/clean sheet..if you will
so..*any wrong 'doing'..would be easily detectable/provable..ie a test

...after warming the old mans heart..
giving him..*memories of his better younger days..
both helped..the other..as things should be..

[in a perfect world]..the old and the young..
would share common area's..where one teaches..the other learns
thus we dont loose the old..as they loose the will..feeling the chill

in this day and age
what your referring to..is called ..having a suger daddy
or become the guru..via teaching your life skills

build it they will come
in their own time..own way..if only in a dream
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:20:30 PM
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According the Christian theology, rampant pregnancy and abortion is a good thing. Souls, that would have otherwise never existed, are being created and sent straight to heaven, without the chance of eternal damnation (or nothingness, for those who prefer that interpretation).

The positive results exceed the breaking of any perceived rules.

I could imagine God would be like the proud grandparent of a child that was born to their teenage daughter - initially disappointed, but ultimately glad that it happened, and wouldn't change things for the world.
Posted by AJ Philips, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:53:31 PM
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@yu
i believe there is one God
the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth
the Triune God who is One.
that the 2nd person of the Godhead who came to die for my sins...and the sins of homosexuals too.

@OUG
how come no one has issues with Gandhi getting young girls to sleep with him (naked i was told) so he can prove to the world he is beyond lusts of the flesh??
Posted by platypus1900, Thursday, 22 August 2013 12:57:29 PM
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so much abrianic thinking..[jesus refutes eye for eye
turn cheek..70 times 70 times

csteele,<<..Those who seek to conflate..these two distinct situations are at best dishonest..and at worst being ratbags.>>..[retained for context

<<..It is this sanctity which warrants an eye-for-an-eye in many murder cases (though not all), and use of the abortion debate to justify not applying capital punishment to convicted cold-blooded murderers is a heinous abuse of moral judgment.>>

firstly..death..isnt dead
thus any murder is technically void..
BUT..as yu has pointed out there is intention..

and those killing..must not be exposed..
to the benefits availed..'the departed'..in the next life
and they are many..

see

anyhow the first link..is here..[gone wast]
[the best exposure..of after life][and of our ongoing redemption]

http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

the others like ..*"the officer"
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Subaltern_Spirit_Land.pdf

''30 years among the dead ''
http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF

[i recommend for you..the last one
its a science text

it proves some of the 'powrers'..of the dead
PROVES..you cant end vile..via killing....it only gives them universal ability to..reap worse evil..[via possession]..[dont laugh till you read it

[in fact the egyptians got it right..
keep the vile attached to their rotted corpse..]
as proved in gone west/see the drugged [dead by overdose]..the 'sleepers'..that validates uses..the ego attachment..to body..to keep the dirt from doing more vile

think of the coma sleepers..currently held in stasis..by machines

anyhow
any death
insults the life sustaining god
no death honors..the living good

murdering the youth..emerges them into hell
see the officer..[they must CHOSE..to reject vile
thus sit between..heaven/hell..being taught..but free to leave..up or down

we must not think taking the drunks car[body]
fixes the drive to drink..

killing anything IS wrong..
[it insults..our own life gift]

[but we been here before..

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0#265736
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2909&page=0#66836

but heck
we all got eternity*

so whats the rush
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 22 August 2013 1:20:57 PM
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Dear platypus1900,

If an old geezer like me, Gandhi or King David can get a young woman to sleep with him that is great. However, I would much prefer an experienced young woman to a virgin. That would make it better.

There is no more evidence for the non-existence of God than for the non-existence of Zeus, Apollo, tooth fairy, Santa Claus, Mr. Pick (That was my cousin’s imaginary friend when he was a child) or the other creations of human imagination. However, the existence of God seems to me no more reasonable than the existence of those other imaginary entities.

I repeat my question to you. You wrote: i believe God will hold us all accountable as a country on the way we kill our unborn,

Your statement above is clearly without any substance, but I doubt that you will think about it. What will God do? How will you know when he does it?

Until you give some evidence of thought or answer my repeated question I will not respond to you further.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 22 August 2013 1:47:50 PM
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