Dear Jay, rehctub, and others,

I'm not trying to be deliberately contentious here.
Nor is it my intention to disrespect any of your
views. We're all entitled to our opinions - as long
as they don't harm others and of course people who
break our laws should be held responsible - same as
anyone else. What I do object to however is people spreading
hate speech and inciting violence be they Christian, Muslim,
and so on. I don't think that anyone is arguing for the
allowance of violence. Perhaps we should all take a deep
breath and start our conversations again in a more
civilised manner?

Dear Lexi,

Just to ease the pain;

"A British woman convicted of racism after calling her New Zealand-born neighbour an Australian has had her name cleared.

Last November, Petra Mills was arrested after calling her neighbour a "stupid fat Australian" during a drunken tirade on her front lawn.

The neighbour, Chelsea O'Reilly, says Ms Mills knew she was born in New Zealand but used the term "Australian" to offend her.

Ms Mills was charged with racially aggravated public disorder and fined $162.

However, the local court in the city of Chester has overturned the decision, ruling that using the word "Australian" is not a racist slur.

Ms Mills has since moved to north Wales to escape the embarrassment caused by her conviction."

ABC news

csteele - So what is your point?

Hi all,

It is pretty standard practice that those who have their favourite talking point demolished through the application of facts quickly develop a tendency to get rather shrill.

This is someone getting shrill.

“85% ON WELFARE IS 85% ON WELFARE NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.”

If it is something they have been really fond of and forms a substantive part of their attack then they get doubly shrill and sometimes, on quite rare occasions, if they keenly feel its loss, they will go on to repeat their message, again in the same shrill style.

“85% ON WELFARE IS 85% ON WELFARE NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.”

Shrill denial is most often a trait found in fundamentalist preachers and clerics but extends to other poison peddlers as well.

Dear Lexi,

I am sorry if this post disappoints you and your call for civility which I truly respect. However of late I am of a mind to challenge this type of thinking head on. I deeply abhor it and the risks it poses for our society. I deliberately withheld from a couple of obnoxious article threads but floated this one after seeing some of the poison striking too close to home.

Best to give me up as a lost cause over this issue I'm afraid.

csteel: It is pretty standard practice that those who have their favourite talking point demolished through the application of facts quickly develop a tendency to get rather shrill.

And boy have you become shrill lately, almost defining defending terrorists.

Still haven't answered the questions.

For my mind the Koran is a vile book calling for violence & the over through of Democratic Governments by violence. Therefore it is a traitorous book & should be banned in Australia along with those who follow that book & the w@N#3r who wrote it.

Answer my questions steely.

csteele - Now it will be 4 times I have to remind you regarding questions you have failed to answer, do you have something to hide that warrants your avoiding the questions?

Now to be consistent you fail to answer my question above instead you try to divert attention away from yourself.

It is also noted that you have no negating facts to the statement that you classify as shrill.

Every time you put fingers to keyboard you forget to activate brain first. Try answering the questions maybe then you will be able to win people over to you side.