If there was a question there i would answer it. Butch & sog;. The coalition started with Malcolm Turnbull as leader , in a spill he was defeated by one vote.
Tony Abbott was the new leader, he made the statement to be in the lodge by the end of 2010.
All attempts at dislodging a sitting govt; has failed spectactually.
Legislation to stem the flow of asylum seekers was blocked in the senate by the coalition. This was in the agenda to destabilize the sitting govt;.
Continually talking down a growing economy, and Carbon tax scaremongering. Any thing from power bills doubling to the price of milk has been blamed on the carbon tax.
So much time and effort was put into this agenda that they have not bothered to formulate policy.
2013 is the year of election , no one wants to see another hung parliament. Although it has not effected the workings of the senate.
Only one piece of legislature , which needed the vote of the coalition to succeed did not gain approval. That was called the Malaysia solution.
Mr Abbots approval rating among women is abysmal. Another achievement by blunder, is Mr Abbott’s ability to shoot from the hip, and put his foot in his mouth at crutial times.
Wether they go to the polls with Abbott as leader or not remains to be seen.

It has if nothing else, been an amusing thread.
Some of those claiming every Labor voter is ,well read the posts here and through out this forum, glass houses gents!
63% we are told are? Labor trouble makers, is old age contributing to such inability to count/comprehend?
The Humble pie will big as big as the Opera house!
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/records-will-keep-tumbling-with-blistering-heatwaves-here-to-stay-20130108-2cetq.html
This link, it is the very heart of why Abbott is in danger.
Even if, and it is not true, Climate Change is a fraud.
A new pre election leader can wrap it up for Liberals.
He/She/Turnbull in fact, can dump all unwanted or not popular, things Abbott has put up.
As many conservatives thought work choices was ok the electorate did not.
And like it or not, read the link, increasing reports have very nearly won this issue for the believers in a need for action.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/us-posts-year-of-record-high-temperatures-20130109-2cfcp.html
Posted here, and not in the existing climate change thread.
For this reason, much of the junk comments about the ALP are untrue.
And much the ALP should beheld accountable for is ignored.
I am more than sorry my party is not going to be returned.
But convinced if Abbott leads we can win.
Trying to push our own views over the average viewsv= of the electorate is a waste.
More like a group of city siders, and I have seen it, trying to heard cattle on foot,and starting the cattle running, who here can out run beef cattle.
So Abbott is looking right now,see the evidence in him trying to get woman on side, over his shoulder.
Turnbull is smiling more these days.
Gillard, she too must be a little concerned.
She has this on her side, few men want her to stay.
But the knife men want her, not them, to be blamed for our current state.
They want her job, after she is flogged,and then to take her place.
Not enough guts exists in the power brokers to do what I think Liberals will do.
Or am I wrong in that?
If Liberals work out easier to get rid of Tony than build bridges towards females we ALP, may find our guts.

Rumblings going on about individual work contracts, has risen its head again. That would suite the likes of some dodgy business. We have no need for American style working practices here.
It's something Abbott would rather not say anything about, but one of the libs want to get it out there. Not surprising, it was always going to be part of their plan. Anything that suppresses the worker is all good. And at the same time restrict unionism.
Would Turnbull be part of that if he was leader

You are definitely on something, 579. Sorry, onto something. Anyhow you are right to imply that adainst Labor measures Turnbull might be too decent, too 'soft'.

But fair go buddy, the LNP doesn't have the Hard Grrls of Labor. This is how tough Grrls behave and take note Mr Turnbull, soft caring white men are passe, positive affirmation targets all, political correctness say so,

<Families Minister Jenny Macklin angered welfare groups earlier this week by claiming she could live on Newstart payments of $246 a week - or about $35 a day - while defending cuts to single parents' benefits.

When faced with the same question on Saturday, Ms Gillard didn't directly respond to whether she could live on $35 a day.

"Of course it would be incredibly tough to be out of work and to be trying to work your way through on a Newstart payment ... the thing you would want most is a job," Ms Gillard told ABC News 24.

Ms Gillard said she had not spoken to Ms Macklin about her comments, which have angered single mothers around Australia.

"No, I haven't. Jenny Macklin is a fantastic minister doing an amazing job," she said>

Ms Macklin and Ms Gillard would blow $35 on a cafe latte (if they had to pay for it and not the taxpayer).

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/greens-bid-to-raise-newstart-allowance/story-e6frfku9-1226548024672

579 I despair!
You sound no different than say on the beach, or any of a dozen more conservatives here.
Labor has its warts.
Put beside SOME commentators here they are minor.
But Labor should expose its faults, not hide them.
Even mates, as Banjo is, seem some what demented in anti Turnbull posts.
How will they retreat, after he unseats the mad monk?
It will not be Labors handy work, but his peers.
And supporting Gillard?
Come bloke the only way I would support her is if she was drowning, and had my wallet in her pocket.