spindoc you have my respect and understanding after those well thought out and put points.
Lexi it is so good to see you back.
Paul 1405, how do I start?
This thread, mine, is far from my first taking on my party,s owners and unions owners, it is much like that within both movements.
Yet you come in to sink the boot in.
I OPENLY target my party, unionism, you climb on board to hurl insults.
But become a wet hankerchief if I say it as I think.
Lets be honest.
Without Labor, even if the Labor right forces it to be a new Labor, Liberals rule forever.
You can not plant pumpkins and harvest spuds, your mob can NEVER grow in this country.
A thousand Bellys are out there, ten times that many wanting to say what they think, but lacking the conviction to put party first.
And the Guts to risk it.
I have mixed with those I take on, pure filth.
But each of us, on every side, must know if we do not get involved it gets worse.
Lining up at Labor conferences right now are white shirt and ties waiting for ONLY, their turn at the trough.
End union control of the party, end power brokers inside tracks set my party free.
AND LET UNIONS do what they do best, represent the members.

Belly you open another can of worms when you say: "End union control of the party, AND LET UNIONS do what they do best, represent the members."
In an ideal world that would be desirable, but with the amount of money unions pour into the ALP, as does business into the Liberal Party and to a lesser extent into Labor, that may not be achievable without restrictions. Those who make large donations to political parties expect something in return. I am opposed to union and corporate donations to political parties as I am opposed to large donations from individuals, such as the $1.6 million Wood's gave to The Greens, the $1m the CFMEU gave Labor or the $350,000 the Liberal Party was given by Minara Resources. Its also not acceptable to me for Village Roadshow to give Labor and Liberal $350,000 each. If as many large donors claim they are only supporting the democratic process and expect nothing in return, how would they feel about donating to a central fund for all parties to access through the Electoral Commission and restrict individual donations to a maximum of $10,000.

I OPENLY target my party, unionism, you climb on board to hurl insults.
The only insult is from YOU! I asked YOU
"You give as good as you get when it comes to posting guff. Here's some YOU started on this thread: "If we look at Paul,s workers paradise the Soviet Union and its slave states." can you show where I said the Soviet Union was a workers paradise, in fact can you show anywhere on this forum where I heap any kind of praise on the Soviet Union. you made it up."
Is this your answer: "Paul 1405, how do I start?
This thread, mine, is far from my first taking on my party,s owners and unions owners, it is much like that within both movements.
Yet you come in to sink the boot in." A small man posts a lie, a bigger man will admit to that lie, Belly which one are YOU?

A more pertinent question would be, "Do we need and inqyuiry in to Corporate Corruption?".

Paul not worth the effort, you claim sainthood, and just refuse to bend, rather like the dieing party you come from.
DP well bit different, while you are a green, you use words just as SOME Labor folk do.
In effect those words are very like this *Let us take the focus away from us and target the other side*
A sad state!, in doing that we refuse to face our faults,deny the chance to get better.
Here is a truth,the NSW Labor right, has 45 members.
25 in Obieds Terrigal,s bag.
After meeting with him in? yes Terrigal.
20 not in his camp, not for months not years but a decade.
The right out votes the left.
Once,under current ALP rules, a way to vote has been taken in cabinet, YOU MUST VOTE THAT WAY.
Once the grub and his 25 filth infested fleas say we vote this way, 25 votes.
Right and left had to follow
The whole right, 45 votes controls the left.
So every Labor MP in NSW, IS BUT A PUPPET TO DO AS TOLD
So with respect DP, and I do respect you,is that to be swept under the table?
Without the respect I once had for you Paul.
You sit in a corner chewing your own toes off, not because I target MY SIDE.
But because you understand reform will bring Labor defectors back.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/pyne-caught-redhanded-with-the-airbrush-20121210-2b4rq.html
Off topic?
Yes but a fair minded reviewer would have to see the very near deliberate lie this man uses, daily.