csteele,

You write of the Muslims (and others) you saw in the crowd, enjoying the show, but you leave so much out ...

I, and many others, are glad that they are able to do so.

However, you omitted to add, that they couldn't do this in their countries of origin where endemic and systemic Islamic violence has driven them to seek a life elsewhere; indeed their lives were at stake. Coptic Christians are discriminated against in Muslim countries, and they are fearful ...

Yes, here online we have seen some breath-taking comments. There is a great deal of anger that our way of life has been disturbed, even insulted, by something that we are not responsible for. But the difference here, is that it is online and not taken to the streets.

We are grateful that we have a our way of life. Many have died to keep this. We also appreciate that others recognise its benefits and security, and despite being part of the Great Satan of the West, our 'great country' attracts those who can 'forgive and overlook' this
'failing'.

Folks may I briefly, divert the thread, we feel we know each other.
It is the same in my other hobby Ham Radio.
We do not, mostly we are at least supprised to see, in real life each other.
csteele would paint me and others as monsters.
Yet the real me, ALWAYS picked out the orphan, the one sitting out side the shed, to befriend.
Some times, without hesitation, that person could be a Muslim.
I always respect their religion and belief,stay very clear of both, talk of friendly things.
And hope they have a great life, in what I ALWAYS call OUR COUNTRY! theirs and mine!
I know many here are more informed than me, BUT warn csteele speaks as SOME Muslims do.
Covering the blood and death hate and bigotry of ANY SINGLE DAY with flowers and accusations we, white Anglo Saxons or any race not Muslim are lessor.
Unity can not come until truth is heard and seen.
By both sides

Dear Yabby ,

Of course there is a massive difference.

But just as it is deemed acceptable to hold the Afghani government accountable for the actions committed by 'outsiders' why does it then follow it is totally unreasonable for others to call on the US government to act in sanctioning the film's creators?

I'm not saying I agree with either proposition just examining the principle.

In the case of Afghanistan I see us beating the crap out of a very poor and blighted country in a very expensive war both in terms of Australian lives and resources while the principal funders and perpetrators are Saudi who are getting off totally unsanctioned.

Indeed we are literally spending hundreds of millions of dollars combating the poison of Wahhabism in our very own backyard. I would have enjoyed a more nuanced discussion of the issue with stevenlmeyer if he hadn't been intent on coming in here to fan some pretty unsavoury flames. Much of our aid to Indonesia is being directed toward bringing Islamic schools into the national curriculum, in other words we are effectively attempting to counter the influence of Saudi millions. Yet the Coalition would have us slash these funds.

Dear Danielle,

I can understand your sentiment but would argue that simply the act of 'taking it to the streets' should not be a determinate of whether something is unacceptable. I marched against the inhuman sanctions we imposed against the people of Iraq though it meant having to hand some customers over to my opposition so I could find the time.

I have read enough of the Jewish story to know how much ignorance lies in Yabby's statement “The Jews were seen as a race, not as a religion and were despised because of their business practises, more than anything.”

If, when judging someone's argument, I replace the word Muslims with the word Jews, and it is obvious it would be deemed untenable by most right thinking people, I know there is a problem.

So when I read Yabby as saying 'NO MORE JEWS!'

Or Kactuz 'I refuse to believe that Jews in Australia, the US or Europe are any different from their brethren in Israel'

Or Banjo 'If we can discriminate about alien cultures in immigration we can then prevent Jews, or any other groups, from coming here.'

Or this pearler from Phillip S 'INSTEAD I propose the police have a new recruit PIGS (real ones) now if they are real Jews they will soon run from a pig.'

Or butcher 'One solution is to ban the Jewish faith in Australia. If they wish to be practising Jews, we won't stop them, they just have to find somewhere else to do it.

Or Jay of Melbourne 'Jews don't believe in "diversity" and how, pray tell does diversity factor into their colonialist military doctrine called Zionism, you're either a Jew or you're not in their view.'

I see these sentiment for what they really are.

Poirot, Stevenlmeyer, Bazz, Yabby, Denielle, Belly, Loudmouth, Indy, & Diomondpete, I implore you to ask csteel to comment & if she supports the ideas of the people in the links I gave her.

The links again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4
http://www.hizb-australia.org/events/item/372-khilafah-conference-2012

Of course I would like to hear all your views as well, please. I have implored you all to comment before. Is there a reason for ignoring this request. If so. I would like to hear why, please.

Jayb: "& look at who by. Unemployable Greenie ratbags & Uni students that are told that they won't pass their course of they don't turn up at the protest, not ordinary hardworking Australians."

Poirot: Oh really?

I looked at the link you gave me as I do with all links. I did notice they didn't once mention, Roxby Downs, the Asylum seekers facilities, various World Leaders Conferences, etc. Why is that?

A few of my diggers in the Army Reserve in Townsville told me that they had to have time off Reserve Training to attend Demonstrations otherwise they would fail their Courses. These were the ones at Port Hinchinbrook near Cardwell. It got so bad at one stage that the Brigade Commander had to call a conference with the Uni as it was affecting the Officer Training School.

My next do neighbour is an Environmentalist Professor at James Cook & his wife is a distant cousin of mine. I asked him about the claim. He told me straight out that it wasn't mandatory, but the papers of students that didn't attend Demonstrations wouldn't be marked in a favourable light, if you get my drift. He said it happens on all Uni Campuses. Unofficially, of course.

*So when I read Yabby as saying 'NO MORE JEWS!'*

Well there is the problem Csteele, in your head and not in what
I wrote.

I pointed out the historical fact as to why the Jews were disliked
in Europe and that it was not about their religion. Feel free to
shoot the messenger and distort what I actually claimed.

I have pointed out that Islam is a problematic religion and that
where Islam goes, trouble follows. I have pointed out that its
going to be up to Muslims to solve their internal conflicts.

I also think that those Muslims who are calling for the overthrow
of the West, who want their Caliphate, might as well be offered
a ticket home and made to feel unwelcome, for clearly they would
be happier living in an Islamic country, under Sharia law.

Alot is indeed being done to change things in Saudi Arabia. Even the
Sauds understand and acknowledge the problem and are slowly bringing
about change. But you are going back into the formation of tribal
Saudi Arabia and deals struck between the Sauds and Wahabs. Its
indeed happening, and the last thing we want is for revolutionary
change, for civil war in Saudi Arabia would be a nightmare. We remain
addicted to oil and even your job depends on it