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Posted by Jayb, Saturday, 22 September 2012 9:03:13 PM
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Xin chao, JayB,
Core Islam has always, always been an evangelical ideology, with the aim of either converting the entire world or exterminating those who resist, ever since it burst out of the Hijaz, ultimately invading and conquering more than half of the Old World. It is really a brute-force religion, no two ways about it, except perhaps for its adoption across Indonesia three and four hundred years ago. Perhaps what we are witnessing - without being too melodramatic about it - is the shaping up of a struggle between the Enlightenment and the Khalifate. It's probably going to be far more complicated than that, within and between countries etc. I'm not too optimistic about where various political forces come down on one side of that fight or the other. But at least the Enlightenment has given the world the scientific method, cures for a multitude of diseases and email, so there might be hope for us yet :) Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 22 September 2012 11:14:06 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/national/backyard-preachers-inflame-violence/story-fndo4bst-1226479500978
OK! yes, my reference to pork including chops, has been rude, deliberately so. No way around it I and many others, have gone over the top. BUT not as bad as *behead those who insult the prophet* Nore* our dead are in heaven yours are in hell* And see my thoughts about poirot, Lexi? show me ONE female poster, ANY ONE, who is not one of this sites best. But too show me one who looks past the wish to protect, to see the problem truly exists. Show me another post so determined to protect any person from the middle east, no matter the charge, the facts, than csteele. Hidden behind an IRON LIKE CURTAIN OF PC is a harsh fact, some value only one sides free speech. This link proves a problem has many sides and it warns us, it needs fixing. POIROT left at the hands of one of the most unbalanced posters in this thread. We me included should ignore provocation. But not truth. I remind some who want to send the lot home ban the religion we are never going to be able to do that and should not, but we best progress by not leaving the education to hostile parents we never should have let into our country. Every problem has an answer but this has existed for hundreds of years and is anchored in superstition and control ,for a class of leaders the world would be better without. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 September 2012 5:43:31 AM
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http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/pakistan-bounty-anti-islam-film-idINDEE88L04H20120922
And this? A MINISTER! in the Government of Pakistan! offers a reward for? The head of possibly a Jewish Coptic who made a film, one of how many? Tens of thousands of poorly made barely watched hate movies slandering Christ and every God every race. Yet our concerns, our fears, are highlighted as bigoted comments? I remain then a bigot, concerned, convinced we must one day go to war to end this hate. Or? those who target our concerns will be the first victims. Posted by Belly, Sunday, 23 September 2012 5:54:06 AM
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Belly, that offer of a head bounty by a Minister of the Pakistan
government is the worse thing that has come out of the whole episode. Our government should ask Pakistan if that is Pakistan government policy and they should either sack that minister or we should sever diplomatic relations, including cricket, with Pakistan. I am amazed that Bob Carr has not already spoken on the matter. Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 23 September 2012 9:39:42 AM
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Hi Belly,
I certainly don't think that we will HAVE to go to war, but we all will need to think much more comprehensively about what it means to be 'of the West', post-Enlightenment, oriented to equality and democracy, Australian, etc., because what we may have to 'fight' is a long-term battle of ideas. If Islam has any validity, then it does so in its ideas and principles. If it hasn't, then this will be exposed in the arena of ideas and principles and we can then move on, all of us, together. Yes, I'm assuming that ultimately, it doesn't have validity, so I'm looking forward to what I hope will be a world-wide debate - not morons punching themselves in the face like in Pakistan (big tanties, twenty people killed - who gets killed, for Christ's sake, in Pakistan ?! Other Pakistanis ?! ) but a passionate debate, a sort of on-going Q & A. I guess there will always be those who want to tear down institutions, and those who want to build them and extend them. Some of them might even think of themselves as Left-wing. So we either tear down the world (perhaps in some dumb@rse childish version of John Lennon's "Imagine there's no heaven, hell, religion, countries, possessions, etc.), or build it together. Together. It's our choice. Keep struggling, brother, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 23 September 2012 10:11:30 AM
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You are right, it’s only been a couple of times in this thread but you certainly have waved some stick around to others & other threads. Mind you we all have waved some stick around at times, including me. Xin loi. (Sorry 'bout that)
I just wonder if you looked at any of the Utube Links & the last two links I posted. Would you like to comment on any of them. Anyone for that matter. I have asked for comments before but it seems that the request are ignored & that's not polite, is it. I would like to hear some views from the people posting on this thread. They would be interesting. I'm sure.
I know Ali bin csteel won't look at them or comment. (Cheap shot.) No, I think she has shown her colours & she/he would welcome a Caliphate in Australia. All those who think the same please put your hand up.
Would you welcome a Caliphate in Australia csteel? Yes or No. Short answer please.