Now for Ludwig, mate forgive me, we can not look at the world via the others eyes.
Morrison? the following views are ones I hold, in honest belief, not a taunt.
He has claimed the report is a support for turning the boats back, not true he knows it.
He claims it rejected Malaysia, untrue he knows it.
He says it is an endorsement of his policy's, untrue.
To link Labors fall in those states to population is, no matter who claims it, wrong.
I again and again point to cultural enclaves in our city's,how wrong they are.
But Labor, in NSW and QLD, won one election too many.
NSW in festered by thieves/fools/and filth fell apart at the first sight of leadership on the other side.
Yet Labor, if it acts to replace Gillard,is far from dead.
I again ask those on the other side,to be as honest in reviewing their team as I am with mine.
Look to NSW/QLD and see both their future and ours.
A plaintive call, one I have made many times,and never seen it answered.
But look at the policy's of Abbott, truly look.

Thanks drab. Yes I think Crispin Hull is absolutely right.

Belly, I can’t imagine that your examples are realistic if seen with accurate wording and context, given that every time I hear Scott Morrison speak, I agree with everything or almost everything he says.

He said just one thing last night on the 7.30 Report that I didn’t quite agree with – he is not willing to blame any politicians for the deaths at sea. For making dumb policy decisions, yes, but not for the deaths that resulted from it.

Well, I think that Gillard and Rudd, and all those in Labor that have filibustered while boats headed our way in increasing numbers DO indeed have blood on their hands.

<< To link Labors fall in those states to population is, no matter who claims it, wrong. >>

Ahh, but it isn’t, as drab pointed with the article by Crispin Hull.

We will just have to differ here Ludwig.
I did not make up my changes against the bloke.
He and others in his party used the claims/untruths I set out.
At some future point much like that, a near daily offense, being put forward by some in Abbott's tent, will come home to hurt them.
I think my own party detractors should answer a question for me.
Does any one, knowing the dislike/distrust building against Gillard think she can ever win an election?
If as a majority of Australians would say, the answer is no, why stick with her?

<< Does any one, knowing the dislike/distrust building against Gillard think she can ever win an election? >>

Yes Belly. I think she can win an election. If she just sees fit to make some fundamental policy changes of the sort that I have repeatedly mentioned and starts really eating big gobs of humble pie about how wrong Labor has been, then yes, she can win.

Afterall, there is only slightly less discontent out there with Abbott than there is with Gillard!

As I keep saying; it is much more about policies than leadership!

<< If as a majority of Australians would say, the answer is no, why stick with her? >>

Yeah, why stick with her when Labor has two most excellent alternative leaders in Carr and Thomson?

But if those two are going to remain beyond consideration, then yes Labor should stick with her… because there ain’t no one else that is any better!!

Ludwig I regard you as a mate, here however in this thread on this subject we differ.
In truth the thread and our discussion here, highlights humanity and our differences.
By just reading, and understanding our posts, one can see the guts of how people think differently.
You and For that matter I think often a like, but so differently here, we can not agree, and that is probably forever on this subject.
Here are my thoughts.
Labor can not regain the days of Rudd's peak polling, or win an election under Gillard.
She however is about to prosper! in much the same way as Tony Abbott has, because Abbott is getting close to being held to account.
You talk of leadership of my party, and policy changes, that in my view, the party would not consider, the public would not except, and would reduce Labor polling not increase it.
Greed rules along side of self interest, A time will come that your wish will be heard, we both will be dead by then.
How ever,soon very soon climate change will be seen as in part man made,Abbott will be held to account.
So too will the true impact of Carbon tax on its way to open market trading in it, will be seen as no back breaker, Abbott by then will wish he could hide.
The only thing propping these two third grade leaders up? each other!
Ludwig, the ALP knows people vote for the strangest reasons, the thought/plan to rebuild Gillard just before an election on Abbott's bones insults Australian voters, they are not that DUMB.

Yes Belly, we’ll obviously have to agree to strongly disagree here.

It is a good discussion though, and may it continue for some time yet.

<< Labor can not regain the days of Rudd's peak polling, or win an election under Gillard.
She however is about to prosper! >>

Not sure I understand. Gillard is about to prosper? How can she prosper without Labor also prospering? If she is to truly prosper, then she should be able to win the next election, yes?

In view, there really is massive discontent with Abbott. So if Gillard was to really ‘prosper’, she could indeed win the next election.

Of course, it is my strong view that if Labor replaced Gillard with Carr or Thomson, they’d have a much better chance of prospering.