Ludwig we can pass this between us for years, it will change nothing.
Environment is about third on most wish lists.
And you over look Liberals, I promise, are a growth for growth sake party too.
I actually chuckle at the thought Labor alone is close to big business!
IF they ever get as close as the other side it will stun me.
Fact is see anti mining tax, big business runs this country and both party's.
A small issue, EVERY POLL,this and last year,tells us Rudd is more popular than Gillard and Abbott together.
I would be prepared to bet Rudd would defeat Abbott by panels of fencing.
Marxism! strike a lite! one side says we are Liberals the other extreme says we are? insane!

Not trying to be funny, just honestly being me.
Parliament sits today,will watch question time.
ABC news 24 on in the back ground.
Read the press,gee near lies there! Labor backs down?
Any chance we get to review the lies Morrison is uttering?
Gillard,I can not longer stand the woman!
Teeth hurt second she appears!
But force myself to watch.
GREENS! are we looking? a party of reform? NEVER!
Of all the junk that has come from this issue the Greens sit on the foulest!
Do nothing!
IF I know any thing about this subject, the greens are dieing, at the hands of two women who damage the thought, for half a century, women can lead in politics.

<< And you over look Liberals, I promise, are a growth for growth sake party too. >>

Belly, if I’ve said it once I’ve said a thousand times on OLO – the Libs are just as bad. I collectively call them the Liblabs, or the Laborials or two peas in a pod!

They are virtually identical.

We’ve debated that particular point. You have said that Labor IS significantly different. I don’t think so at all.

So it is all the more reason for Labor to change, because a Liberal government is absolutely just going to continue with the same old worship of growth.

<< Any chance we get to review the lies Morrison is uttering? >>

What lies are these, Belly?

I think Morrison is one of the more intelligent and better performers in the Lib camp.

i know what you mean belly[re julia somehow...striking a discord everytime she speaks..but she is more than that for me..she is both [yes i know.i never said it re males...but she comes across as trying too hard..almost mutton dressed as lamb..

lawyer..able to work..but only under instruction
all left brain..no right brain..[no imagination..really the perfect leader..but listening to the wrong instuction...

the usual tricks..wont work for her[like howard was hated..despised..but somehow at election time..revealed a vision..by manipulating events[yes juliar will do the same..;as orded...and please dont complain re the juliar thing..i wrote especially for you in your term

but mine is my summation
thanks for reminding me of parlement siting
if the polls indicate anything..is who ever wins..will need to be able to negotiate.../with believeable promises.../some things being FIXED in stone

not like the lie of no carbon tax in any govt i lead
we dont want tony..but prefer him being truthfull..than the lie.

julier is a robot..KNOWS how to deeliver her brief
but because she has no belief of her own..wont win..[not the same as not loosing.

the more i hear of car..who could..plus be good
but he is in the growth camp..thats that step too far for me
and ya mate..great speaker..but likely too sold on peer opinion..no own thought.

thats why BOTH parties pick lawyers
they know how to follow the brief

yes men
yes woman
glory hounds loving the kindness crumbs/of their peer overlords
not serving the unwashed/feeble..but ever seeking better ways to put the cosrts back onto the people..never big business..they instruct lawyers.

lawyers deliver*
want to get al capone..use the lawyers trap/the tax act*
toney isnt phonie..he talks to anyone..unlike juliar..who isnt..

Labor can win the next election. Labor got an amazing break through yesterday, not unexpected. Abbott will have to retire another argument.
He has everything in the same basket, with nothing new, and battling a 70 billion black hole.
If labour allows business to trade european carbon credits, Abbott won't have any argument left.

'Labor got an amazing break through yesterday, not unexpected' Yes 579 causing 1000 deaths and now having to swallow humble pie is about the only break through Labour has achieved. Maybe if they now change their minds about the idiotic carbon tax and take on another Liberal policy they might crawl back into contention as their are alot of naive and silly people out there. This is the open and accountable Government that Oakshott and Windsor has prostituted themselves to. They to are responsible for the deaths of those drowning while trying to come here illegally (at least before invited by Rudd/Gillard).