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Social Welfare and boat refugees

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Did I see that? we should have let them drown?
We all should remember SOME opinions are wrong, SOME uninformed.
The nearest Indonesian boats was many hours more than Australia and private shipping was, laws of the sea demand RIGHTLY we help.
We are not talking about the costs, why? because they would be inflammatory but true.
We are not talking about how much a refugee gets same answer.
We ignore the long term SS to SOME, we forget our own cold this winter unable to pay for heating.
COMPRERMISE ALP policy is better than Abbott's.
But Gillard as a last resort should recall Parliament, pass Morrison's amendments NOW!
DEMANDING a review of other answers after her face saving DELAYED attempts to stop deaths.
Abbott is a heartless human,CHRISTIAN? unconcerned about these lives, lets put him behind the steering wheel not the soggy brained Greens, A party prepared to kill those it says we treat badly.
At best greens are useless.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 30 June 2012 6:03:35 AM
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Or do you have another definition?
Lexi,
In actual fact I do. It's called looking after your own first & don't make me responsible for others' mindlessness. I am willing to help the victims of this mindlessness. I am not willing to aid this mindlessness to create more mindlessness. I am not willing to help destroy my life because of aiding mindlessness. The refugee flows are borne of mindlessness over there & by mindlessness over here. I am in no way willing to further this mindlessness by helping to streamline the flow by supporting the present policies.
In case you're not aware of this but there are times & the refugee flow is such a time when you have to be cruel to be kind. i.e. fight fire with fire. Unless of course you don't mind that your children will become refugees themselves.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 30 June 2012 8:09:18 AM
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Dear individual,

You really are a fearful little fellow aren't you.

So a few thousand refugees are going to destroy your life and turn our children into refugees themselves?

My God, get a backbone for crying out loud.
Posted by csteele, Saturday, 30 June 2012 10:29:06 AM
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*Labour sending them to the wall? Really?*

That was not what I claimed, Csteele, you should read what I
actually wrote. Labour will certainly take them closer to the edge
and that is becoming more and more difficult in the meat industry.

The figures are in fact correct, but clearly the economics of the
meat industry and associated costs, are not your strong point.
Given the many head winds, having a Govt which puts the boots into
them as well, is not exactly good governance.

Banjo, I agree with you, many policiticians are lawyers, so good
trained actors, be that in court or parliament. But I think that
Hanson Young is one of those emotionally overwhelmed types and so
are a number of the greens. If you ever get a chance to read
Daniel Goleman's "Emotional Intelligence", he analyses how the
emotional circuits function, its all black and white and describes
their behaviour amazingly accurately. So if the glove fits etc.

Csteele, the refugee debate is not about a few refugees. Take note
that Marylin, the Greens and others when pushed, admit to an open
door policy of unlimited numbers. So how many million are your
limit?
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 30 June 2012 11:09:54 AM
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Dear Individual,

Talking about mindlessness.

We had a perfect example of it recently from our
politicians in the Senate. Here the Opposition and
the Greens had the opportunity to try something
for 12 months that may well have worked. Now we
will never know. They could have made their
objections known in Parliament but in the interests
of at least doing something - they choose their
egos, (my way or the highway), and chose inaction.
Now these are people who are supposed to come up
with answers in times of crisis. Their answer was
inaction. How sad is that. How really mindless is that.

Heaven help this country if we will have to rely on
them in times of acute crisis and they choose inaction
for whatever reasons. Scary!
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 30 June 2012 12:40:01 PM
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Dear Yabby,

I'm calling you out on this. For me there is no way your co-op will be making $300,000 in Carbon Tax payments. It only applies to companies producing over 25,000 tonnes of CO2 per site for which they have to stump up $575,000 before allowances. 

If you want to talk in terms of indirect costs then possibly but that is not what you posted.

Show me the money.

Dear Lexi,

"Mr Palmer openly defied Mr Abbott on asylum-seeker policy, arguing for onshore processing of refugees. "I can follow my conscience and wouldn't be following Mr Abbott like a lamb to the slaughter," he said. "What I seek is a country that respects human rights.""
The Australian

Isn't Clive Palmer an interesting fellow.
Posted by csteele, Saturday, 30 June 2012 12:54:11 PM
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