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Social Welfare and boat refugees

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lexi,
The ALP is not willing to compromise at all, they never were. They simply are so incompetent that they're left with no option other than give in to some sense. They simply aren't' giving in to sense enough hence no solution as yet and Abbott gets the blame.
Give it another year & most of the eligible voters will (hopefully) see more & more sense.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 1 July 2012 1:49:48 PM
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*The ALP showed that they were
willing to compromise to achieve a solution
to asylum seekers.*

Oh come on, Lexi. This is simply a huge ego contest between
two lawyers. Losing face is not what either of them plan to
do, but right now the ALP is in between a rock and a hard place
on this one and they know it. So rather than admit that, they
form a committee! Classic political manouvering, but some
gullible punters fall for the spin.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 1 July 2012 1:54:38 PM
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Dear Individual,

I'm pleased that you at least do recognise that
the ALP is trying to "give in to some sense,"
as you put it. Which is something that cannot be
said for the Opposition who are totally mindless,
totally!

Dear Yabby,

I have to acknowledge your expertise - when it
comes to spin. Full marks on that score!
Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 1 July 2012 2:43:02 PM
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Deat Yabby,

Thought not. So the Coop is not paying a cent of direct Carbon Tax, full stop.

The power company will say 'we are paying $300,000 in Carbon Tax on the electricity we supply WAMMCO'. WAMMCO will say 'we are paying $300,000 for extra for the power from the power company because of the Carbon Tax', the wholesale purchasers will say 'we are paying a combined total of $300,000 extra for our lamb from WAMMCO' and Tony Abbott will stand shoulder to shoulder with the lot of them bleating on about this terrible tax.

But there isn't $900,000 in carbon tax being handed over, it is $300,000. Who ultimately pays? The consumer of course.

Lets take a more informed look at the figures then.

Last year WAMMCO turned over $124,000,000 dollars and spent $2,493,000 on energy and water. Having a fair idea of the amount of water processing operations use I will be generous and attribute 75% of this cost to strictly energy. Let's call it 1.9 million. While I don't think they will be paying anywhere near $300,000 on that amount of energy I will run with the figure for arguments sake.

So for every dollar of lamb sold at the wholesale level the Carbon Tax is going to add 0.03 cents?

Yet the 2000 farmers the CoOP represents are going to get a doubling of their fuel rebate, a tripling of the tax free threshold, a compensatory family rebate, and a rise in the figure of current year instant write off assets to $6,500.

Perhaps your man should do the figures on whether his farmers will be better or worse off under the tax.

Or better still perhaps he should concentrate on maintaining the very good work of his predessor who has taken the CoOp from strength to strength. It is doing remarkably well and good on them.

Perhaps you should be better directing your ire at the Tasmanian government for selling cut price carbon tax free power to large mining companies forcing a price hike of 10% on the poor consumer.
Posted by csteele, Sunday, 1 July 2012 3:35:41 PM
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Dear Lexi,

I was going to pull individual up if he did it a third time, I promise. :)

I think I would enjoy Clive Palmer as an independent but not with his hands on the levers.

However what do you think about his idea of flying the asylum seekers here to be processed?

There are some real positives.

It would save lives.

The government could dictate that they all had to fly Qantas and purchase a return ticket so if their claims were not found to be valid they could be flown back at their own expense. Might give the share price a lift after the Scottish git trashing it so comprehensively.

It would be cheaper for the refugees than the current people smuggler rates.

I dare say even giving the increasing contracting out of Qantas maintenance overseas it will be safer than leaky boats.

It would dramatically reduce the expense of processing if done onshore.

We could get some humanity back in our politics.

I do have visions though of Belly going belly to belly with Clive and calling him a namby pamby sissy boy for caring. I think I know who might come off second best.
Posted by csteele, Sunday, 1 July 2012 3:49:47 PM
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*Who ultimately pays? The consumer of course*

Ah, I can just see it now, Csteele. *Dear Overseas customer, due
to the new Australian carbon tax, you will just have to cough up
more than the world price, so that we can pay our Govt for their
carbon tax.* Hehe Csteele, overseas marketing is not our strong
point :)

*It is doing remarkably well and good on them.*

Actually they have been working 3 days a week, the CEO pointed out
that they would be broke in 6 months if they had not dramatically
cut prices to growers. And the plant manager pointed out that "The whole carbon tax issue is proving to be a nightmare for Australia's
meat processing industry and it would not be suprising if there were some casualties"

As to tax deductions, all they do is compensate farmers for increased bills, just like any other taxpayer. That hardly justifies farmers
who export their produce being screwed, whilst Alcoa is paid millions. I remind you that we all have yet to be compensated for
fiscal drag.For that we'd need Costello back, not the present mob
of turkeys.
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 1 July 2012 4:06:49 PM
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