Dear csteele,

Yes, Clive Palmer certainly is an interesting man.
I recently watched an interview with him on TV.
Much of what he said made a great deal of sense
to me - especially about certain lobbyists and what they
should and should not be able to do. He strikes me
as a man who shouold be in parliament. A man who
would represent his constituents very well.

Yabby at times you and I clash like young bulls.
But a basic ordinary Aussie male thing can be found in us too.
We get close on this one, no need to say this, except if free speech is true, because this is true.
IF only men judged boat people we would have none.
They would not die at sea, we you and I may well go back to verbal tennis.
But I think we, not you and I Australia, would increase refugee in takes,by about double todays quota.
Picked on skills and ability to make it, not wet cheeks and sympathy.
You are right, to Dennie it is, sorry insanity, if we say come the door is open?
I earn contempt for my view LABOR has to dump Gillard, but how many men would vote for her?
Now we split ,it is my view Abbott, his policy's, are the biggest threat to our country's unity ever.
So yes Labor should return to its roots dump Gillard fake a break down, what ever it takes, grab the high moral ground.
Recall Parliament put Morrison's amendments and fight hard for Malaysia IF IT GETS BACKING from Gillards get out group.
Men will not except or vote for failure here.

*Show me the money*

Csteele, if it costs the coop directly or indirectly, does not matter
a jot. Fact is, it is increasing costs and export industries
cannot reclaim those costs from consumers.

Meatworks use huge amounts of electricity, especially modern ones,
to operate complex machinery, for chilling, for freezing and all
the rest. Apart from labour, its the largest processing cost that
they have. Then packaging material manufacturers will pass on their
costs. They use elecricity too, etc.

The CEO of Wammco, which is a growers coop, not a company, reports
to the 2000 or so farmers who supply them. He's a smart man who
knows how to work out his costs. Fact is that rather then have
that money to spend, to make the place a bit more efficient, which
is where most of any profits go, Wammco now have to spend that
kind of money for no benefit at all, just poor Govt policy.

My point was simple. WA farmers get screwed, Alcoa get millions.
There is no way that you can call that good Govt.

Belly old mate, over a beer or two we'd probably agree on most
things. As you know, I am no Abbott fan and I've made that clear
in my posts on OLO. But quite frankly, between the carbon tax and
the refugee debacle, at present the Govt is frigging hopeless and
really deserve the boot.

So a few thousand refugees are going to destroy your life and turn our children into refugees themselves?
Lexi,
not so fast. Go to Europe for a few weeks & you'll find yourself becoming a little less cavalier with your replies. You really should refrain from dismissing actual experience especially if your own is rather limited in that field. I've been there done that, you obviously haven't.
As for "get a backbone for crying out loud." Better tell your ALP mates to get one.
Mine's ok, you just don't like the strength of it.

Yabby true but in fact it is my view the carbon tax is a Storm in Gillards tea cup.
She never took the time to explain why she changed her mind.
A known weakness she has on many issues she takes people for granted.
She by being a poor counter puncher, and worse at explaining, not even on the map in saying sorry.
Let Abbott brand her lier, look she is useless but did not knowingly lie, and carbon tax will come to many more country's
She remains Labors problem.
And if we do not replace her [we will]we are not fit to govern.
I know I had no need to say men think differently than women, but it is true!
I see daily, dreams Labor can win, by ignoring the electorate, it can not.
We have great women posters, but they do not like, some, me saying what the man on the street says.
Right now, in my view picking ANY WOMAN to lead a party is a death sentence due to Gillard and the two fools leading the mad hatter greens.

Labor should return to its roots.
Belly,
If only you could have woken up to that a long time ago when we did & we could have saved a lot of posing here. I for one am glad you're starting to see the light. . Good on you. All you need to do now is to get Abbott off your mind & become constructive.