Yes I am AP, Raw mustard I do not regard you as hot stuff, manners prevent a description ok?
It never was my intention to open a back door to the refugee debate.
I hold the view if we knew the true costs we would demand the issue be fixed.
I knew, we all did, it would only be a matter of time before another boat floundered.
For a while yesterday looked like another massive toll, how much did that cost?
Why is it hidden in paper work , the costs?, why do those news manufacturing papers not put it in headlines?
We each of us do, truly, have the right to our opinions.
We,far too often fight because of them, but who is to say my posts have ever been other than demanding an end to these boats.
This much I truly think, SOME VIEWS, still here RM? are near rants.
Some, on both sides well thought out and based on understanding.
SOME the GREENS are blind to the impacts of their wanted out comes.
How much is it costing, in money, in fractured cultural problems?
How many are on SS for ever.
ONE DAY we must ask is our Social Security System fair to those who paid tax for 50 years by giving the same or more to those who never did?
Who arrive here and never hold a job?
My next post is about the debate last night on Oakshots bill.

While it is clear most who posted so far are not happy with me, so be it, know I say only what I think.
I watched the debate last night.
It concerned me,I truly hold the view Abbott is a disgrace, tells lies, cares nothing for other than his future.
On both sides of the debate people said things they did not believe.
I support the Malaysian solution.
Not one of those on offer is ok, but it, with one modification is best.
That modification comes from Liberals stated views.
Children are not to be sent to Malaysia, *So I propose this country ban all family reunions for people sent there or arriving post bill passing the house, further ban those sent from being granted residency here*
I further demand this end now, today, Granted LABOR GOT IT WRONG.
But get it right in the upper house today.
Abbott has no intention of putting other than himself first.
When it is clear it will not pass Labor must put in a amendment and return it to the lower house demanding Parliament sit until SOME ONE GIVES IN.
Both sides fail us Gillard, the wrong leader should see a bill pass with Wilkes amendment as part of it, or go today.
Abbott? in the eyes of his shadow minister you could see the thought! is this bloke mad?
No but gone soon? yes.
In your guts you know he is nuts!

The greens, yet again are underlining just why more dislike them, and always will than vote for them.
Right now as much as anyone they stand in front of answers on this issue.

When you speak with people in that industry you hear stories the average person on the street simply refuses to believe.
Leftist power mongers are the principal cause of this runaway bandwagon. People who don't give a damn if Australia gets overrun as long as their Superannuation keeps building up. Many Australians in these decision-policy-making circles do not deserve to be called Australians, they're traitors of the worst kind, maggots of our social system.

I watched Christine Milne last night on ABC TV, put forward the
Greens solution. It just blows me away that people can be so
naive about the real world.

The way I understand it, she thinks that if we increase numbers a
bit and bring them over safely, that would fix it. Is the lady
not aware that the telephone lines will be running hot in the
third world and that before long she will have a deluge seeking
the cushy life here, one way or another?

Christine should take note at the huge numbers of Mexicans prepared
to risk their lives to get to America. That has nothing to do with
asylum, everything to do with seeking a better, first world lifestyle.

Europe has been invaded by boats from Africa, with people trying to
do the same. Why does Christine think that its going to be different
from Asia?

Thanks yabby, it took a post like that to take the bad taste of the one above away.
Greens are of no worth, they are the Morris Dancers I often reffer to drunk or drugged by the look of their actions.
I want to remind foot ball fans, we never not ever, refuse to kick our own team if they play badly.
These two days saw both sides let us down, and the Greens prove they are unfit to hold a seat.
Gillard in my view lost her right to lead about two days before she won it, in hind sight.
She surely is gone after this failure.
Abbott? how do you say what I think?
The in your guts you know he is nuts was stolen, it reffered to Barry Goldwater.
I think, honestly, he is to go, as a result of his actions these two days.
Great for Australia!
More will die at sea over the winter break, we could have stopped it LABOR/LIBERAL it would not have mattered, both sides lie, we could send them to Nehru , prove it would/would not work, then Malaysia.
Both sides stood and lied or answered questions with lies.
Greens? please understand you wasted your vote never ever give a preference to such fools.
Lets send the greens back in those leaky boats,Gillard and Abbott as deck cargo!
Abbott? you know you can tell when he is lying.
His Lips Are Moving!