i dont think we need concern belly
this conversation..[of opinion]..offers no danger

to the first law
[freedom of choice to belief
or dissbelieve..whatever we chose to believe]

im sorry if you believe
[were led to believe this]

'"i was shocked to hear of a congregation
of ministers and priests..meeting on mountain tops!"'

shocked is a big word mr bell
starled perhaps..because it dont seem 'right'

who is to judge right
we dont got the true facts to judge anything..not anyone

look at the reason
for your 'shock'

""At night to pray!""

it isnt that they pray 'at night'?
mate my kids said their prayers 'at night'
many kids pray at night..ok they dont know why

so lets egsamin why
because in primitive times people believed we died at night
[look at a sleeper..for all intent they 'look' dead
but we know they arnt

then there was ther superstition
that demons could come to us..in our dreams
and other such nonsense

but the real value of prayer
is that we go to sleep feeling right with god
end the day...with thanking god for the good things of the day

heck mate...the next day starts with our sleep
not the other way arround..[recall there was 'night'
before god created day...with the words 'let there be light'

many people say that sundays rest
begins on saterday night..

that monday..begins on sunday night
[david will confirm]

the sabath was made for man
god never rests

but maybe your shocked cause of this
""said to be the home of evil""

mate jesus and satan sat on the mountain
but we know from kiddy stories troll live under bridges..in dark places

heck the holiest place..in jerusalem
underr that huge golden temple dome..in jerusalem
that good people of many beliefs fight over..was the very mountain top

where many great hioly..events too place
where jacob laid his head on..that stone
the british speaker sits on in brit govt

the place where mahomoud accended to 'heaven'
maybe where mosus got the laws..or the solomans temple sat

who knows myth and legend ,..mate
just like

""those hill tops area
place of peace..in the middle of Forrest's me.""

mate
if we find peace in our heart
we are with god

wether in the lowest parts of hell
or the highest mountain top

god lies..within us all
wherever we are..there love is
if we only knew it..lived by it

god's biggest 'sign/proof'
lies in nature...life
inside all life

to know god..seek to know life
without judging..live by egsample
live and let live..our words mean nuthing

our works...deeds..
are saying much more than any words

how we judge others
is how we will judge ourself

thats why hell is full of proud but fair people
judging themselves..much too harshly

god has infinite grace
if only we showed the same grace
there would be much less dis-grace..to judge others by

I doubt OUG any of us at some level do not wish for such as you ask.
And I do too, posts from many here got me interested NSB and Lexi David and others.
I can not avoid my regrets,we did get bogged down in religions.
We have many Gods, and to this date not one of them has bought us long lasting peace.
Not one stopped us killing each other or watch others starve to death.
While putting enough uneaten food in to our rubbish bins each week to feed one family.
Forgive me, you will often find me confronting conspiracy theory's from arjay, you, and Sonofglion.
But do not think I do not believe in conspiracy's, I very much do.
A TRUE, STEP BACK, HONEST LOOK AT Christianity will show it is no longer the force it once was.
It is stronger in places of the very poor and less educated areas.
That can be said about any religion.
However, more than others,Islam is growing,recruiting in the west.
Filling a need?
I think we need a link to spirituality.
To think we are not moths having our single flight around the candle.
My introduction of great man made music was to show evidence for my view within us all greatness lives.
Look at the Hymns you love most,remember those words of comfort are not from a Bible.
No one disputes man made them.
I understand fraud lies deception lives in such as this but if something after life does not exist other than Christianity I have deceived myself.

Dear Belly,

There is a Talmudic saying that we are born with fists clenched and die with hands open. We grab at life and then let go. That's it.

Pagan burial mounds and pyramids contain replicas of objects or even sometimes even animals and people who are killed to accompny the great one into the spirit world.

The above are two views of life after death. I think the second one is a symptom of ego and power. Those who hold power want to take it with them. They can't let go. That idea has pemeated with the spread of Christianity and Islam to all the believers in those faiths. Eternal life is available for all believers. It's essentially a democratisation of the idea that life beyond the grave is available for only the rich and powerful and those that serve them.

I think the Jewish view conforms to reality.

im allways..glad to hear..from david
as i have..so many questions..he could clarify

like solomans wisdoms
often read like homo/erotica
that when combinded with unwed priests
and all nuns being wed to the one 'christ'

just sounds..like we are missing
the big..why..[re homosexual marriage]

there is also in the bible..much made of..the line back to david
and infact two slightly different..geniologies are presented
that link both john..[born from a priestly union/motherd by a very old..[87]year old mother

then a few months later
a virgin..that gave birth..to jesus
[yet the angel..says you shall call him..emmanuel;god with us]

the essian scrolls..say much about the good/and the bad teacher

jesus was a follower..of the most holy john..and
only after john was killed..took up the role of messiah..[unwillingly]

there is also..the confusion..of the messiah of the jews
that reportedly..will vanquish..a specific people
is this messiah..a peace maker..or some war demon

much of the ol tesiment..'prophecy'
expected the messiah..at the time of john miraculous birth
and at that time...a virgen..was simply an unwed woman

darn there are so many..serious questions
could you have a try..at answering a few?

im told that..in this day and age
verifying who specificly..comes from david
might be..'complicated'

and why david..[a male line]..wouldnt
having a matriarchal decent..have a more specific certainty

there are questions..i feel
deserve serious consideration
like jew wasnt adam and eve..or even
the fact that we had no vowels

thus much..of what we call true...cant be true..in word

there is also the ritual
of welcomming..the long lost 'son/daughter'
as long as you can proove..you got a jewish mum

then..there is the cemetry...that lies
in the place the messiah..must? emerge from
where many jews..get laid to rest..for preferential reserction?

it seems..we are all..cousens..all jew..[jew mean..ab/origonal]
but that we cant seem to get things straight[we all come..from eve]

we know man...[no man]..can 'be' god

please david..offer some leadership..[instruction]..clues
if only for..your name sake...

[and the house of levie..the priest class?]

anyhow..i undestand if its some secret
but general knowledge..would be appriciated..[or even heresay]

shouldnt we be clear...here?

David, yes you have a point.
But I think I may have too.
3 Gods dominate our world, many exist as well.
But the God of the Jews we are told is ours too via his son.
The God of Islam seems to have followed both in the order set out.
The roots of all three can be traced back much further to the reason we Celebrate Christmas at that time.
To dennie spirits is to take away the feet from under every God.
I understand our brain may take control, grant us dreams, but if so why when we are awake.
And why when they bring fear and the unexpected.
If belief in God can sustained surely the belief we talk of can too.
With the same questionable evidence, at least more say they see hear and feel Ghosts.
Dave/OUG you will be surprised, but in truth I think man should have his Gods, I prefer one.
If we invented him/her today God would give, as all Gods do, boundary's to live within, we need them.
But I too think we have matured, grown out of a them vs us God.
Our invention should be for every one,who needs him/her one people one God .
I will continue to hold myself accountable for my actions, try to live the good and ignore the bad from my COE upbringing.
And to listen, smell,watch, for the substance of the odd shadow in that other room.