and hurried anxious thought's

unwillingly..i had to awake to a formless world of which i seemed its only inhabitant..yet i thought i could hear voices..but could distinguish no words..

i felt the shadows palpitate
with movement and could see no-one"""...

anyhow you can almost feel the images
into janes mind..with just those words

you can feel his phycic senses trying to adjust

others report that death feels like slipping out of a wet glove

in the intro col te lawrence..is mentioned as having been writing
in a style employed..by the group who shared his writing more books

[only one was mentioned]..
and that i havnt been able to find
[a phycic bridge and the country beyond]

and again i must think
why hush these things up

so much has ben brought to us
but special intrests have muddied the waters
thus is why..so much that remain's..is fraud

in time things can only get better
they certainly cant get any worse

[ok lets see
if my server*...lol is working]

http://iands.org/nde-stories/17-nde-accounts-from-beyond-the-light.html
More questions than answers here OUG if you are still watching.
Fascinating stuff.

Belly and OUG,

Thanks for all the links.

I will have to set aside another lifetime to study them all...lol

The secret to reading this material, is exactly as OUG says... Suspend disbelief, and approach with an open mind.

Most people think there are only two choices. Belief or Disbelief! As illogical as only those two choices by themselves sound, people just can't seem to understand that belief is as closed as disbelief. They are just at the opposite ends of the Yellow Brick Road.

I love going on a You Tube journey. After you have watched one video several others are listed. If I have the time and there isn't a part 2, 3 , 4 etc of the one I just watched... I choose another one and watch that also.

Sure you will get some real crazy ones, but most times you find something that gives you more information to consider.

Whether you choose to continue in that investigation is totally up to you.

But as you are in control of the on/off switch, the decision becomes totally yours.

When I had my near death experience... I was amazed and excited! I didn't dare tell the ambulance driver, or the Drs. They may have locked me up in the loony bin, and just for having an experience they might never have had themselves.

Enjoying the discussion guys. Thankyou both!

from your link belly

""The harder he tries to help people
the more doors slam in his face.

Although he has raised a wonderful son..he has yet to solve the enigma..of how to fulfill the guidance he receives.""

thats typical
people must ask,,[first]
then the4y still only beieve when/what..they want to

Mellen-Thomas Benedict was...[edited]..driven by the same need to reach out and assist others. Benedict learned early on, however, that "obeying" inner guidance can be fraught with peril if one is not grounded.""

see doing the right thing
for the wrong reson,..or at the wrong time
is often worse than doing nuthing...[which i have learned
ok am learning..to do..or rather not do]

""This awareness led him to participate in many different classroom and study opportunities..where he could learn to tame his own ego before he tackled.."the gifts of spirit."

His guidance..[from spirit]..to become an inventor
has kept him solidly in the path of practical application.. with results that speak louder than preachments or prophesies.""

he must learn not all invention..comes for good

''(a message present in every transcendent or impactual near-death experience I have encountered)is: setting one's self apart, feeling somehow "chosen," tempts one...to pursue power OVER others rather than fostering power..TO others.""

thats an important point

""The difference here is ego,
and how it can waylay even the most sincere.

"Heavenly" guidance leads to self-deception
*if one's ego is not redirected..*from self-satisfaction..to service,""

an important point

but guidence continues..[redirected]
""from self-righteousness to renewal""..the spirits/hope love etc..of other.

""The issue of ego domination..or ego desire
directly impinges upon how a near-death survivor interprets his or her experience, integrates it,..and comes to regard that sense of "mission"..each is left with.

""I cannot begin to emphasize strongly enough
how powerfully the ego can misdirect even the best of intentions.""

to whom much is given
also others shall test..even detest

i prefer longer stories
rather that selected facts
but each to their own..all the best mr bell.

Belly & OUG,

Interesting that we have been discussing spirituality openly when I had another 2 seperate experiences.

Both experiences happened over the last two Saturdays and came to me as dreams.

The first was I had a dream of a guy named Ron. He was a wonderful man, I think an atheist, who had agreed with me that whoever was to pass first would, if possible, try to get a message to the other still living.

Well on Saturday 1st October he came to me in a dream. Upon awakening I discussed Ron with a few people and found, by way of internet obituaries, that he had passed away back in March this year.

So on the following Saturday the 8th October another of my past colleagues, whom I had made this visitation agreement with, many years ago, came to me in a dream.

He appeared behind me looking in his 30's, fit and very healthy wearing a smart straw hat. At first I didn't think that he recognised me so I said to him "Ken it's me!"

Ken replied "I know it is you... You missed the reunion"! I replied that I wasn't really into reunions and we had a short discussion.

On awakening I immediately went to the computer and looked him up.

There was his obituary - He died September 27 2011 & was buried October 3rd 2011.

All 3 of the men who came to me were well again, Ron & Ken looked in their 30's and very healthy, and all 3 I have had the agreement with to visit one another when they pass, if they were able.

3 out of 3 people who have passed, without me knowing it, have now visited me either as a vision or in a dream.

I feel very privileged.

great stuff o2
as we become more open to those trying to help us
and as we are more able to recognise the small inner voice
but not obsess about it..or seek to know how/why..the more we get confirmation]..mostly on the personal level..[not what others would accept as proof]

the reason for this is of course the freewill rule
spirits cant force us to do things..we dont chose to do
[it seems a small thing to us here..but there its huge..spirits get instant karma..and usually slip deper into whatever hell their intereracnes led us closer to]

anyhow im still waiting to write out some notes i took on re-incarnation...and soul mates..just trying to decide where its better off being posted..[it does deserve its own topic..but grayham dont like my topic suggestions...from memory i submitted over ten...and had onkly arround 3 accepted]

mainly cause clerly i only post the topic to get my info online
ie dont really ask a question..more just looking to answer one..

you will find that every question gets it reply
its my exoperience that we often get the answer...before
we even ask the question...[i feel the reply inspuires the question...'sets our minds a wondering']

then our mind a quest-ioning?

we then only need search our subconscience
to unpick the answer

anyhow its allways great to get first hand confirmation
of things we allready believe

if only belly would speak more about his experiences
he is very sensative [spiritually]

anyhow cheers