We have been here before.
Long ago that thread was not specifically Christian, in fact neutral in that area.
We did delve in to all views and spoke of our belief, including Christian ones, is there any truth in these three highlighted areas?
Well throw near death experience in and just maybe the answer is our brain can play trick on us?
May we take a break from politics?
And just for this thread any chance we actually pay lip service to the idea all views have value?

Dear Belly,

I believe in ghosts, in the after life, in spirituality
all of those things. Why? Because as I've written in
the past:

"I come from a tribe of nature worshippers, pantheists,
believers in faeries, forest sprites, and wood nymphs.
Who heard devils in their windmills, met them in the
woods, cloven-hoofed and dapper gentlemen of the night.
Who named the god of thunder, who praised and glorified
bread, dark rye waving waist-high out of the earth,
and held it sacred, wasting not a crumb.

Who spent afternoons mushrooming in forests of pine,
fir, and birch. Who transferred Jesus from his
wooden cross, transformed him into a wood-carved,
worrying peasant, raised him on a wooden pole
above the crossroads where he sat with infinite patience
in rain and snow, wooden legs apart, wooden elbows on
wooden knees, wooden chin in wooden hand, worrying and
sorrowing for the world.

These people who named their sons and daughters after
amber, rue, fir tree, dawn, storm, are the only people I
know who have a diminutive form for God Himself,
"Dievulis," - "God-my-little-buddy."

Any wonder I catch myself speaking to trees, flowers,
bushes - these eucalyptus so far from Northern Europe.
Or that I bend down to the earth, gather pebbles, acorns,
leaves, boles, bring them home, enshrine them on
mantelpieces or above porcelain fixtures in corners, any
wonder I grow nervous in rooms and must step outside and
touch a tree, or sink my toes in the dirt, or watch
the birds fly by."
(Al Zolynas - "LITUANUS." V.49. No. 2 Summer 2003,
Lithuanian Quarterly Journal of Arts and Sciences)

its a huge area your taking on here
one where it would be helpfull...if people said[revealed],
some of the 'strange things'..people have hinted at..in previous discussions on these subjects

there is much conjecture for egsample on manifestations
that in times of stress..it is reportedly possable to imprint
imagry or sounds or partial events...due to powers released by strong stress..or fear

i personally havnt 'seen' and apperitions
or had any drug induced experiences..but suggest these too may be relitive

[i did seen what may have been a flying [unidentified object]
abouve the canbera uni once..that sounded like an airship
[but have never heard of canberra having a lighter than air diragable]

anyhow this could become my fav topic
so lets suspend disbelief..and talk of those things
we are reluctant to diss-cuss..lets not forget we essentially are beings of energy[spirit]...and science has proven that energy cant be created nor destroyed

that one second your living here
then something goes/leaves/stops...and your dead

that we all die
and that many do communicate with those who have departed

i will look up some great links later

oh heck why not now

many great free downloads here
http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm

this one seems blocked
http://www.divinetruth.info/Downloads/CD/NaturalLove/PDFs/Franchezzo%20-%20A%20Wanderer%20In%20The%20Spirit%20Lands.pdf

heck most the others are blocked as well
oh here is one

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=GXiiawvlRCcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=A+Subaltern+in+Spirit+Land&source=bl&ots=JjNlQosKrm&sig=1qJYbhem82A3OOsb31iN2QRf8J8&hl=en&ei=yz1CTK7PBpC9cd39uL8P&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

but thats not the best way to read
best download from the first link

the whole books while you can

Ah OUG it comes,we wander in every thread I intend to here as we did last time we spoke about these issues.
Now first it has been decades from the days I indulged in Meditation vegetation.
And while I drink the odd glass of wine,rum, or port, I am rarely under the influence of it.
Sausage sand which and a beer too is an unlikely cause of my experiences.
I want to include one more subject, the feeling we have been here before,note how I ducked around not being able to spell it.
In the NT,for the first time, my brother was driving and said to his wife ,that old place on stilts is up ahead around this corner.
On getting there he knew it!and knew he had never been there before!
And was so stunned he stopped far enough up the road to collect his thoughts but not see it.
On the night my best mate/cousin died, I dreamed he visited me.
He cuddled me, put money I had given him in my pocket.
Then chuckled because in that instant he found out I had won second prize in a lottery and kept it quite.
I believe it was real!
And understand others will think me mad.
Some will remind me we as of yet do not even come close to understanding what our brain is able to do.

i just been wandering in past threads
that got me to wondering

but i said what needed be said at the thread

anyhow you got some stuff that i feel needs respectfyull reply

""Sausage sandwhich
and a beer too..is an unlikely cause of my experiences.""

i will re-read in the morning
re your experiences

""more on the subject,
the feeling we have been here before,""

ah yes the de-ja-vouse?
others will spell it better

my theory is
that we didnt begin with one big bang
but by many big bangs..

and de-ja-vu
is simply us monetarilly remembering a memory
from our previous life experience...[from a previous big bang]

see my theory is that life unfolds
EGSACTLY the same..each time...[in the big things]
but the minour details can change..[thats why my experience of de-ja-vu often turn out different..than the feeling

its remembering the last time
that gives us prophecy..etc
and as its hard to get the little stuff right
or wrong each time..i modified my theory...so that each new beginning[each new big bang..is cause we failed to get it right..this time]

so get sent back to go
so we all become the hero
not beg some all mighty god to fix it again[with yet another 'new beginning']

we beg god to fix it
so he pushes reset

and big bang
here we go again

anyhow im off to bed mate
as i explained at the alp union thread

look forward to others writing something to
but we can keep it going..if all fails yet again

lol
just like we did
every other time

anyhow cheers ol mate

On 12 September, 2001 in Australia in the very early morning I had a dream. I was in a vast room with flickering shadows dancing on the walls. I looked up and saw that the ceiling was made of doors with light coming through the spaces between the doors. Then the lights seen between the doors were replaced by flames. I woke up and went to the computer. There was a news item about airplanes flying into the World Trade Center. It seemed like a hoax or ad for a disaster flic. On the TV was the news of what had happened. I called up my family in Pennsylvania as a plane had come down there. They were ok.

A number of years earlier I was living in New York City. The WTC had just been finished but not occupied as yet. With a girl friend I went to see it. We walked into the building and were standing on an expanse of carpet with nobody else in sight. Seemed like a good place to roll so we rolled over and over on the carpets laughing and looking up at the ceiling.