interesting point has been
at the first link i posted
is the story of those who 'drowned' at the titanic
[blue island]

they were spirited away to a blue island
the blue color was supposed to assist their 'healing'

many phycic phenomina is related to fresh water
and dampness..fogs mists etc
[ie not salt water]...

from descriptions of the boundry of hell i have read
[like the oficers story..also at the link]...the boundry to the dark hell reggons..is 'like' a seathing ocean

old ones said that hell..is under the sea
but its also under the land...[maybe linked to salination]

that puts a new spin
on salt that has lost its saltyness

it seems like what lexies hubby saw
was a electonic [wrong word]..'replay'..of a funeral;
[still cant recall the right word..to decribe the phycic records
that emotive events 'replay''..on occasion]

anyhow hassa
the blue island link is a great read

also good was the experiences of laurence
of arabia's crossing over story..[also at link]
http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm

anyhow its important to know
where love is no fear can enter

the more we talk
the more there is to learn

In that long ago thread I spoke about my fathers death.
Keep it short but we had a split in the family and lived apart,it was my job to drive from Wollongong to Sydney to tell my brothers.
Minutes after I left only an hour after dad died he drove with me.
I felt him his humor and his nature love of adventure with me,think As you will it happened.
I have often woke and foretold a future even, it concerned me, I rejected it for years fought against it.
I no longer do.
My mum was isolated from some with her family, they did not except dad.
On her death [we buried her with dad her wish] anger mixed with the grief.
Her side not ours.
As we lowered mum on top of dad to coffin tilted dropping her family's flowers down to dad.
They held their breath! I said quietly it was mums wish it is ok.
Hasbeen you are quite ok not to believe, please do so, but this subject is too personal to introduce ridicule to posts answers sure you will understand mate

We are in an area that is full of fraud deception and lies.
Too full of reasons why some of us think as we do.
Christians know of the Holly spirit/Ghost can trace back in the first Bible to belief in re incarnation,yet say too no sole has risen till their God returns.
Near Death experiences often see strong Christians returning without former belief, or stronger ones haveing spoken to Christ.
We know too some are unlikely to ever see or believe in any of this, others are subject to it.
And we do not yet know the lost continents impact, our brain.
From that brain, it alone, came every book ever written every great work of art the ideals every religion is based on.
That brain, ours once understood maybe is mans God.
Do not throw away the idea these things exist.
A thousand story's are in the family history of every one of us, if we look.
Fear and terror! that is in many story's told about this, I have seen in my mind while asleep dead loved relatives in my bedroom, ones I would love to cuddle once more.
And woke in shear fear! knowing it was true, took place,as they came to say good by!

I believed in the spirit world well before coming to Christ. One night as a young boy I dreamt the winner of the Melbourne cup (the night before it happened). When I watched it in the classroom the next day it was like watching a replay. I know of one girl (far from a believer in Christ) who was terrified by a ghost she saw while at a seance. She thought it was all fun and games but literally became terrified. Jesus delivered many from demonic spirits and so it is no surprise that many still have all sorts of weird spiritual experiences. Witchcraft is very prevelant today.

Dear runner,

That's interesting. I have friends who've had bad
experiences with ouija boards and who won't go near
Tarot cards for the same reason.

I've got to admit that I'm superstitious and I wouldn't
dream of going to a seance or trying to call up any sort
of spirit - because why play with something - when you
might get more than you bargained for.

I guess I believe in the saying from Shakespeare's -
"Hamlet," :

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Dear runner,

Jules Michelet wrote 'Satanism and Witchcraft' which tells of the persecutiobn and burning of witches. At that time Christianity was mainly confined to the upper classes and the clerics who were mainly of upper class origin. The peasantry practiced their pre-Christian nature religion. The women accused of being witches were generally both priestesses of the older religion and herbal healers. The church in alliance with the doctors who were trying to gain a monopoly on healing persecuted those women to gain a monopoly of religion and medicine. Witches don't exist, and your superstition is appalling.