Dear runner,

You wrote: "Your assertion that no believers in Christ think is arrogant and plainly wrong."

I made no such assertion. Stop lying. Argue with what I say and don't put words in my mouth.

Dear Lexi,
Thankyou for your lovely post. Yes, I do believe that eveything happens for a reason, my first marriage being such a failure, led me to the most wonderful bloke in the world. We celebrate our 37th Anniversary tomorrow, we still enjoy life and have never lost our sense of humour.
Life is but one learning curve, and throws the most unexpected and sometimes cruel events at us, but if we always seek the benefits, life is not so hard after all. I love life, have three great kids and five grandkids, we are all healthy , and have absolutely nothing to complain about.
Cheers Lexi and all others, it has been a refreshing discussion compared with others.
NSB

i was raised an athiest
born and bred to trust only in science

i hated religeons
when i was still in the faulse beliefs of my father
never the less he was raised in his religeon..then rejected it
like so many..[and for logical reasons][and also some really dumb ones]

religeon is an instritution of mankind
there is very little 'spirituality'..to be found within many a church/temple/cloister..or hall..

yet families have close attatchment
it isnt important what they believe
but that they share simular beliefs in truths and in errror
[that is if they ever want to 'be' apart of a larger familiy in the next life][ie with those who believe the same things as themselves]

im an outcast from my family
an outcast even with those who know of god
i dont follow creed..nor lable nor religeousosities

i know simply..that god is real
and thats enough for me

i know im an energy being
and that this energy lives on
i know spirit is real..i know im real

but enough on what i know
lets hear what belly says

""Every religion can not be in the name of the same God,
no God..surely would ever separate..one human from another.""

mr bell..if your family seeks to be together
nothing can tear that appart

if religeons claim to be in gods name
its in their combined 'idead'..of god..in their particular form/quality of what the WANT..choose god to be...so it shall be
their idea of god will be not the true god..but heck we are free to whoreship whatever we like

no one will be allowed to prevent it
and even then its not till one dares to question 'it'
do they get tossed out of that community..and beginto seek the one true good[the only true god]

people are allowed to make their own god
if you think god is in nothingness...done..[your wish is respected]

if you*...CHOSE..to think
god is some horney old/goat..with goats feet
no worries..welcome to the realm
of the goat/god..[etc]

and you*[genericly]..are..*instantly
..with y*our..true family

where..more..
shall be a given

anyhow
lets continue

in the next/life..there is no judge..of right or wrong
what we are is writ large..upon *our soul-body..for all to see

here
we can pretend..to be 'holy'
pretend to be nice

but after death..there can be no more pretence
everyone knows..[ie all shall be revealed]..
that you can be sure of

[you used genericly..ol mate
as you*..should know..by now]

""I refuse to think
any human is lessor."'

thats totally correct ol blue

we each..got the same..god given living spirit...
sustaining us all..our every life breath..within..us all

""But in every God..we can find the very best
in mankind,..and the worst,""'

mate ..within every *faulse god..!

the..one true good/god is all loving..ALL living
ALL grace..AL mercy..etc..the true god
is all good

best/worse..""we can find
control..and follow..like the road rules of life.""

yes mate
the sheep..ARE..sorted from the goats
the tares from the wheat...those who love..sin..according to their sin

""We can find reason..to unite
or conform..or even fight and die."'

well ol mate
no one can die

yes we evolve..ever upwards/or down..

but we only disolve..the soul body..from the last life
and get..*the next soul body..we earned..in the next

we simply speaking cant die
heck the lovers..of murder..can murder
each other for eternity

the second those..with no concience forget
that they done..your back there like brandnew,ready..,to be murderd all over again ..and again and again.

for eternity..if you chose

if that's..what you love..to do..[only]..to other
BUT..*you get both sides..of the 'love'

both victim..from those..better than you
and perverted by..for those more peverted

HERE we sorted..that we love
then for eternity..MORE of the same*..SHALL BE GIVEN

""If we need a God,
let it be..a new all inclusive one.""

god will be..whatever you think him to be..!

of course
if you chose a 'faulse-god'..
it will still be YOUR god

*its your choice

god has no ego

if you want to
cast gems..before swine..[or faulse-gods]

*thats your choice

god..*is the good of love
but lets us..chose what..we love

he loves..*our passion..to love
he..*dont judge it..only ignorant..'men'..do that

if you like...LOVE*..to rip wings off flies
presto..your a fly...

with all the other fly ripper-off mob
and let go do that you all love to do

go for it you bar flies,let it rip

if your here
do unto any others here too
cause we KNOW..thats what you love to do

doing only that we love to do
can become the worst form of hell..lol

""Remember my fear at visitations?""
not really mate

""my attempts to stop that fear.""

now there is a funny thing
se many drink..this lowerrs their ability to resist
ie they are most likely to fall under the very 'in-fluences'..they fear

if people drink from fear
know there is no escape

when i drink
i canm fel my fathers mates trying to get me to drink more
trying to get me with them..so mate i smoke..cause i hate drink

i detest drinking..to excess
one or two glasses is fine
but a bottle drunk alone

mate spirits love that
heck mate you seen how a few drinks can change people

that drink ALLOWED..the very thing you said you didnt like

""visitations""

its called spirit for good reason

""I never had it on my mate/cousins visited.
Fishers Ghost, research it, a part of our country's history,"'

sounds interesting story mate
some details?..[oh they follow]..

anyhow we are also under in-fluence of good spirit
on ocasion..although by and large most are vile

but as said re[peatdly..its our thoughts
our feelings ..our emotions..that bad spirits fed off

our fear gives them, energy
they are too weak to make their own
by actually loving admiring respecting and giving

""its appearance seen by a few
I a year after my mothers death
had made much change to our once crowded home.""

she didnt leave
mothers just subornly hangon
indeed find they can 'visit'...plenty
[as in visitation]..

""Out of the silence unexpected
my mum told me she was proud of me!
Self deception?""

mate
get over it

she wisperd it..*in/to..your mind

DIRECT....!

We humans are both frail and strong good and bad.
We can be evil too, not all in the same person some times that too.
In the first thread on this subject some one Philo? not sure, told me I sounded like a Christian.
Runner charges me? with blindness and while we are at it, a total inability to see the faults of my life companions Labor and the Union.
Runner my Christianity came from a wish to believe.
Believe that all men are equal, that justice would win in the end.
That Christ would have thrown those money lenders out because they needed to be.
Judge not runner.
Now my youth was full of Christianity, my country village held sons and daughters of Missionary's in Dutch new Guinea.
Siting in our school of never more than 23 kids.
I never until late in life met a Christian who thought God was A CONSERVATIVE!
Bigotry is often displayed by the most assured Christians?
I believe in man, we have some thing we do not yet under stand, some chuckle but I also think some are not yet quite as aware or able to see and hear the other things we talk of self assurance often is deceptive.
Ever walked around your home not thinking of much and a name came in to your head.
Then soon after came to your door.
Ever stood at a loved ones grave alone and felt comforted?
pick up a photo of a dead loved one and remembered things you had forgotten.