Gertude, the reaon that pastoralists are left stranded is because
Ludwig ran scared about a bunch of hysterical housewives. The cattle
will pay the price, sadly.

The Indonesian information was not secret. It remains to be seen
if they can breed enough of their own cattle, given an ever rising
population. There are better things to do with land in Indonesia then
run breeders, like grow lucrative cash feed crops for feedlots.
So that market might well continue on for a long time,when reality
prevails.

Meantime AACo are going ahead with their plans to build an abattoir
in Darwin. That will cater for around 200'000 cattle, mostly
old biddies which they can't afford to freight south.

The thing is, 90% of livestock are already processed in Australia.
Do 90% of Australians drive Australian cars? Nope, around 15% do.
So your labour argument is a foolish one.

But the live trade remains a vital part of Australian agriculture.
It keeps local processors honest, which would not be the case if
the trade closed, they could name their price. It helps deal with
drought as those ships can move huge volumes of livestock in a hurry,
which is critical for drought coping strategies. Every farmer
understands these facts, you seemingly don't. You are clearly
out of touch with agriculture.

Gertude, the reason that pastoralists are left stranded is because
Ludwig ran scared about a bunch of hysterical housewives. The cattle
will pay the price, sadly.

Yabby when you make childish statements like the one above over and over- you just lose any credibility.
Frankly, you’re not helping graziers or farmers either- its bad PR – but whatever.

The fact AMIEU and Abattoir owners and thousands of others have long lobbied the trade ban- you seem to ignore.
( As you wish)

*The Indonesian information was not secret*

If you’re trying to say the industry WAS informed in 2010? That puts a very different slant in things.

Meantime ... Actually buffalo

*The thing is, 90% of livestock are already processed in Australia.
Do 90% of Australians drive Australian cars? Nope, around 15% do.**

For god sake Yabby! Animals are not cars. They are living breathing beings who feel fear and pain.

You seem incapable of grasping the difference.

*So your labor argument is a foolish one.*
Never voted ALP in my life!

Nor do they HAVE to deal with It keeps local processors !!

All they have to is is get off their bums and deal direct with buyers globally

Instead of expecting everybody else to drive their market like basket cases.

grateful,
I bumped a button which brought up your old posts. I thought you were new to olo.
I see you have been researching Halal slaughter for two years now.
So i will made it easier for you . Here are the Australian Standards. In Australia we follow Australian Law.

Personally, I am concerned about things like bribery allegedly involved in such places as Indonesia. It would be a pity to rock the boat too far with Australian standards. That might only serve to stir up a whole lot of trouble. Cant you imagine the uproar from the public if that type of thing came up. It would be such a pity and no doubt they end of the free rein for several.
I think it would be wise to reach a compromise - something like agreement to pre stun in Australia& work towards funding proper animal welfare together off shore as well- dont you.?
I will leave you to look over the Australia standards.

salaa

Celebrating 250 years of the veterinary profession – Vet2011

Humane slaughter
Policy
Slaughter of animals must be carried out in a humane manner. Animals must be
humanely rendered unconscious until death.
Background
The slaughtering of animals is usually to provide food, although animal slaughter can
also be used for population control and disease eradication. Arrangements should be in
place so that animals are spared unnecessary excitement, pain, stress or suffering
during movement, restraint, stunning and slaughter.
Regardless of religion or cultural beliefs, animals must be humanely rendered
unconscious prior to exsanguination. A sheep can remain conscious for 7 to 20 seconds
after its throat is cut, while loss of consciousness in cattle under similar circumstances
can take up to two minutes.
There are species-specific Australian guidelines on how to slaughter animals humanely.
These are outlined in the animal welfare model codes of practice as well as in industry
standards.
References
Scientific Panel on Animal Health and Welfare. 2004. Opinion of the Scientific Panel on
Animal Health and Welfare on a request from the Commission related to the welfare
aspects of the main systems of stunning and killing the main commercial species of
animals. The EFSA Journal, 45, 1-29. (www.efsa.eu.int accessed on 21 April 2011).
Australian Animal Welfare Strategy. Preamble. http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-planthealth/
welfare/aaws/online/reamble. Accessed 8 October 2009.
Ratified by the AVA Board 8 July 2011

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Chief Executive Officer
Australian Veterinary Association

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*The fact AMIEU and Abattoir owners and thousands of others have long lobbied the trade ban- you seem to ignore*

In that case the AMIEU should be able to provide 50 workers, when
a local abattoir wants them. They can't. As it happens Trefort and
other abattoir owners actually understand the need for live exports.
The thousands that you mention, are a few hundred fanatcial
vegans and members of animal liberation, Peta and similar. They
are like you, against people eating animals.

*Animals are not cars. They are living breathing beings who feel fear and pain.*

Yes, but they are not delicate little petals that need your
bemothering either. Sheep and cattle are pretty tough. You live
by these idylic dreams, like that they would hate feedlots. Well
I can tell you that if I leave the gate open, they will rush into
the feedlot and scoff their bellies on oats, then sit down and chew
the cud, for that makes a ruminant extremely happy.

*All they have to is is get off their bums and deal direct with buyers globally*

Yes, you keep pushing this rubbish, when it is far from how the meat
market works. Cut up a lamb or beef carcass, the various cuts might
go to 10 different markets. That is how to maximise the value of
a carcass to pay for the expensive Australian processing costs.

What a ridiculous statement to make. Given plants has closed down over a 20 year period more and more because of live exports- we have lost skilled workers.
Fear not however Yabby because there is a new training programme ready to be launched.

Oh dear, Yabby Peter MLA board member btw has contributed to WA probably with some MLA funding.
Hes employing over a 100 jobs in his local town and that’s the way it ought to be.
Now- what Peter did say was things will never change until the Indonesian Government fix them

The thousands that you mention, .. No there were the public and btw public join groups.
The last time over a hundred thousand people marched the streets to parliament were in fact the farmers over fuel tax.
Old slim wrote a song about it. Remember they shot the heads in NT to save the export market with some cock en bull story about Q fever.

*Yes, but they are not delicate little petals *
As you well know i am not working with peta veggies and i am sure you will agree not a sweet little petal

*All they have to is is get off their bums and deal direct with buyers globally*

*Yes, you keep pushing this rubbish,*
Yabby, modern times- things change get over it & put some freezers onboard.
Now, I will tell you one more time.
As you know they want live for jobs- ok. We will never supply enough labour to service ALL- some yes but not all.

Also, they still want jobs – So we killem and senem whole cacuss- direct to buyers- no middle men.

Its already being done and those growers as happy as.

Hadn’t you best get back to save the WA thread. I would hate to see you miss out.

I bet you never shared your lollies as a kid either. That’s the real problem you know Mommies spoiling their little boys.
Often they continue throughout life to act like greedy little brats.
Run along now and play.