Yabby,
TG The AA housewives& us have nagged u about her for years + even if-- many rip them out when u leave. Dont want western ways true. (not all)
#Those like the Elders facility are ready to go, but it remains to be seen if Indonesia still wants them.#

1st u know they will go to feed lots.
2nd so long as (stunned) prior to Halal slaughter- no prob

That still leaves 400thousand head in limbo because they cant process more than 150 th head (again) 24 hr shifts?
Get Wellards to ship some down to NSW!

Yabby they ""were"" refusing to (stun) ""prior"" to Halal slaughter- . AFAIK thats not changed.

Our Plants here stun prior to slaughter & they dont all have to go to the halal market either. ATM it only takes a smaller%.

* but it remains to be seen if Indonesia still wants them.*

We oppose them not stunning first. The best chance we have is for Dr Hussain and Dr Ali to be invited & MLA to get out of the way.
It shouldnt have got to this- the the industry have been warned for years.Industry feeds MLA bull & they are just office staff no idea of livestock/ plants.
I strongly disagree with u on ritual slaughter in Australia or anywhere else.

a597,

Thankyou but Indonesia wont accept damage to the brain. Thats haram ( forbidden) It must be a perfect offering to Allah not cracking the skull.
People Against Live Exports and Intensive Farming - What can I do?
Halal is a Qur'anic word meaning lawful or permitted. ... Cruelty to animals is an absolute not allowed. You must not show a knife to an ... matter of slaughter will not damage the skull and the brain on the animal. ... will assist in arranging export licensing and accreditation at their own cost.

Not enough room here a597- go to other link pls to go into detail
thanks

Gertrude, the Elders plant and others were stunning animals long
before this kerfuffle broke out. They are volume plants and about
4 of them can do half the Australian cattle involved.

But as Braithwaite pointed out, 4 Corners gave those plants about
10-20 seconds of its time.

Like it or not MLA is the organisation that does a job as ordered
by the Minister of Agriculture. He has all the powers, farmers
pay the majority of the funding.

Nope, cattle can't be shipped within Australia, it would break
quarantine rules. Their other option is to be shipped to other
markets like Egypt and Israel, but those are flooded now. Many
small pastoralists will simply go broke. This was the year that
was going to pull them out of the mud.

All this has nothing to do with accreditation, although I know you
would like to feel important. More likely they will put you
in a Burqa :)

The best chance now is for Ludwig to get out of the way and let
somebody else deal with the Indonesians. He does not seem to be
up to it. Rudd is the foreign minister, he should go there as a
matter of urgency. But then he is flitting around doing other
things. When it comes to agricultural matters, the ALP are
just frigging hopeless. The man in parliament who best understands
the whole issue is Chris Back, he's a qualified livestock vet.

Hello everyone.
I am somewhat following this thread with interest. I was looking up the net searching for Halal products and I came across this link

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3396&Itemid=64
Bega goes Halal
One of the largest manufacturers of dairy products in Australia decided that accepting Sharia is the best way to get into the lucrative Islamic markets.

The company was proud to announce that ALL their cheese products are Halal certified, which in real terms means that they accepted Muslim extortion tactics and are tellng all non-Muslim Australians (still a majority) that they have to munch on Sharia compliant cheese whether they like it or not.

We seek accreditation from a number of authorities to ensure our cheese manufacturing procedures meet and exceed all relevant requirements. As part of this process we secured Halal accreditation in 1996, which remains valid today. The accreditation assists us to grow our export sales, and generate valuable export revenues for quality Australian produced products.

etc.

Ok as much as I love my cheese. It won`t be Bega anymore.

I do not want to support the cruel Sharia laws and I wonder how many food products already carry the Halal Label without us realizing it?

I for will search the net for more products ......and look for alternative articles.

Underbelly- thanks!
Yabby,
All your trying to do is divert this thread away from Ritual slaughter in Australia & RSPCA stand.
*But as Braithwaite pointed out, 4 Corners gave those plants about
10-20 seconds of its time. *
& I agree he should have got longer than 10- 20 seconds just on his* their track record of shipping alone.
Let’s give the man the time he so rightfully deserves shall we!
http://www.opiniononlineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=507

*Like it or not MLA is the organisation that does a job as ordered
by the Minister of Agriculture.*
Yep nothing like putting a bunch of bureaucrats on 400k a year wages that know zip & a poly likewise As Minister.

*Nope, cattle can't be shipped within Australia, it would break
quarantine rules.*
Change them or this will get worse. Ts the practical thing to do imop.
They truck them there all the time.. What the diff.

Their other option is to be shipped to other
markets like Egypt and Israel,..
Nope can’t do- long trip harem - no stun- harem

*small pastoralists will simply go broke*
Probably not- big ones yep could be.

All this has everything to do with accreditation Yabby. What do u think Ludwig was arguing over?
That btw was their first mistake. What I want is the best outcome for Australia’s agriculture & humane treatment of animals.
I am the only one working ( or trying to) to assist so if that makes me important so be it.
More likely they will put you
in a Burqa :)
No Yabby’s tbo want them banned
http://thuppahi.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/ameer-ali-of-peradeniya-perth-ban-the-burqa/

The best chance now is for Ludwig to get out of the way and let
somebody else deal with the Indonesians.
Correct! & we send urgent email to Ludwigs office telling him Dr Hussain & Dr Ameer Ali would go.
& they ARE the ones to sort it- if it can be now.
NO reply from Ludwigs office – how slack. Told MLA but..
This email is for the URGENT attention to Senator Ludwig
Mon 20/06/2011 9:47 AM

No matter how hard I try I'm finding it impossible to imagine how cruelty could be inflicted on cheese in order to make it Halal.

Underbelly, welcome & thanks for the link& hope u stick around. I ran out of room earlier pls dont think u weren't appreciated for your efforts.

morganzola,
http://myislamicfamily.com/2010/04/26/a-shocking-discovery/
is cheese made by non-Muslims allowed or not?
Rennet is extracted from the stomachs of calves and contains enzymes that are used in the cheese making process. Bellow are quotes from scholars of the four schools:

##Posted by Lexi, Monday, 27 June 2011 12:41:37 PM
I would hope that these practices are part and parcel of ancient rituals and the animals suffer as little as possible. If not, why does the government allow it?##

Why does the government allow it u ask?
My thoughts- because they lack guts, brains & want the Islamic finance . They were SUPPOSED to review this a year ago? WHEN??

Ammonite, posted good info & u should read it. If we dont stop the way they treat animals it will be us & ours kids next. Well may people say I dont want to know-- but u need to imop- we all have a HUGE WAKE to happen.
posted by Ammonite-
http://arthurdobrin.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/changing-kosher-nd-halal-slaughtering-methods%E2%80%94the-moral-case/
http://www.grandin.com/ritual/schematic.html
Posted by Ammonite, Monday, 27 June 2011 12:58:01 PM

Not long ago we saw Ikebals Patels AFIC Presidents regrets
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/legal-affairs/it-was-a-mistake-to-mention-sharia-law-admits-australian-islamic-leader/story-e6frg97x-1226076664279
Now this
http://www.christianpost.com/news/jesus-a-prophet-of-islam-muslim-group-runs-provocative-billboard-campaign-50722/

Those who think this is not connected with Ritual Slaughter are wrong but I will start another thread.

RSPCA most certainly have the peoples vote of support to ban ritual slaughter.