a597
Hello & Welcome to you.

##In the 70s the abbs; i worked in done both Halal & Cosha, under the supervision of the respective countries people. There was no problem with the stunning of the animal by bolt gun for cattle, and electric jab for sheep.##

Yes its interesting isn't it. Where abouts we you working ( area ) in those days ? I just had a long talk with a guy from Egypt looking for 500mt & we were talking about the same thing. This has been going for a while now. They want the cattle stun & believe it or not it was Australia accreditation that knocked him back. Well we know all about that now- so will sort.

In my experience the less educated think they require some ritual slaughter - but the bulk dont even mind our bolt method, which is the case with this Egypt buyer. I was telling him how much our beef is sold in Indonesian. So hes interested in a visit up top. Couldn't believe they sold at that price.

Iran mostly accept stunning too but not all. So we should / and will back RSPCA 100% because this ritual stuff is cruel and Halal & Kosher as you rightfully said can and will be done with the stunning of the animal by bolt gun for cattle, and electric jab for sheep.
Thanks a597 for your informative and valuable post. We hope to see you again.

*Its a bit hypocritical for Australia to not
practise, what we are preaching to others.*

Yes & it will be addressed as RSPCA demand Animals are stunned.

*I gather they accept stunning after the first cut.*
Kosher is EXTREMELY cruel i can tell u that much.

*With sheep its all much more straight forward.*
Yes there must be stun.

* Next we have the issue of people all over country Australia
providing their own meat and no, they don't own stun guns.*

A farmer with a gun is better than a 12 year old with a blunt knife in a backyard at Lakemba
However perhaps RSPCA should stop ALL home slaughter.

*597, those cattle can't be moved south, the numbers don't stack up*.

$180 $ per head to take them south- where’s the industry & the truckers??

*They don't like cold weather either.*

Nor do they like having their brains bashed to death with a chain cruel bustards who send them their & MLA + the government have known for years!

The first thing that needs to happen MLA to start replacing MLA.
Whoever was in charge of that programme has some explaining to do.

*Secondly they need to get some cattle moving, or there will
be an animal welfare disaster in the North.*

So get MLA to start trucking them

*That would be a disaster for our industry, with lots of suffering for the livestock involved.*

Be just what this country needs to get off their backsides and open plants!

*The Dept of Agriculture, which audits what MLA does and how it
spends its money, has some explaining to do as well.*

Well then, they had best keep the rest to build plants because the writings on the wall.
Its only MLA & the government that can’t see it.
Australian people want their money spent here & Animals Slaughtered here.

MLA are 100% responsible & the other 220 countries are worse.

if u guys had half a brain u would accept it & start building plants
But this thread is about ritual slaughter and RSPCA have 100% support

Gertrude, if you want to learn something about various slaughter
methods and associated problems, go to the Temple Grandin website
and learn a bit. She has been advising the meat industry for years.

MLA's charter is as a marketing and r&d organisation. Neither they
nor the Govt do or should build plants, especially if they make
no economic sense and eventually close when they go broke.

11 abattoirs in Indonesia are now equipped with stun guns etc.
It makes perfect economic sense to send cattle to Indonesian
feedlots and then process them there.

In the 70's i worked at Shepparton abbs in Vic; There was no problem with cattle coming from the NT in those days. Although they were hard to handle through lack of contact with human beings, and the sight of dogs was most distressing for the animal. Dogs were not used around cattle from the NT. Katherine abbs and Tennant creek were big works in those days manned in the dry season by cattle farmers. Tennant creek abbs does not exist any more.
An abbs was built in mid NSW, that would have seen the end of time, completely stainless steel. This abbs was used for 10 months then closed due to lack of stock. 15 million dollars worth only to be sold in bits and pieces.
Live export was embraced by farmers because it was cheaper;
Cattle stations these days are run by just a family group, mustering is done by helicopter, and other work is done by contract. Very little full time employment is there any more.

a597,

I would be very interested to talk to you a597. I have started a link here just for now because of the limited space here
http://www.opiniononlineforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=511&p=684#p684
a597,

You have a wealth of knowledge & I am sure u know that. As this thread is about stunning i have a place we can talk about your experience in the industry above. That way we are not going off topic- not that others haven't tried:)

**15 million dollars worth only to be sold in bits and pieces.*
Yes and we can multiply that many times over& much came out of the tax payers hip pocket.+

*Live export was embraced by farmers because it was cheaper;*
Yeh live exports was in part a pay back to unions& who couldn't understand that!But many farmers opposed it strongly and lined the warfs screaming about the cruelty to the animals& saying it would destroy Australia's industry and be the cause of the bush losing jobs too. Do u remember who the PM was at the time who brought in the Army to chase the farmers away from protesting live exports?

Was it Frazer? You might recall Mr Jim Dywer in those days? Worked the plants seasonal & then they all went to NZ& back again- did the rounds. Then they would ship it out with salted R on the decks. He worked in ME for a while & after that 4 of them met with the NZ PM to ban it from there too. They were pretty hard men but they tried to stop live exports horrified by the cruelty and slaughter methods.
Hard work in these days but they never treated Animals like they do in this ritual slaughter mate.*

Cattle stations these days are run by just a family group*,
Yeh mate big... family. They call it the industry:) but i call them cruel Bs.

Its an honour you have posted this information. Hope to see you on hear again soon- till then travel well.

Gertrude, if you want to learn something about ..
Temple Grandin website.
Stone the flaming crows Yabby dont tell me MLA have now just discovered Temple Grandin good grief. I thought that was brought to their attention on her slaughter methods at the last inquiry- or was it the one before that. Perhaps it was neither and they just picked up up in the last few months via the AA housewives association. Or they may have seen 4 corners where she featured saying she just couldn't get over seeing MLA all over the containers Australian Government while she watch a Australian cow being flocked to death by a chain & worse.
FYI
All ours are based on her methods Yabby. Ritual Slaughter is out!
Speaking of MLA special brand with AFIC? & Ikebal Petals er, partner-- Dont think the partner was consulted.- still whats another little oversight among many.

So I take it that You Yabby do not approve ritual slaughter- as I noted you said you raised it,. Nor do I or any other normal decent humane being. So at least we agree ritual slaughter is barbaric .
Good starting point.
The Govt should build plants, especially as they destroyed ours
Live exports is not economically viable and morally disgusting

*11 abattoirs in Indonesia are now equipped with stun guns etc.*
Wrong they are refusing to stun!
RSPCA have 15 here to ban doing ritual slaughter all done they say behind the , er, partners back.
RSPCA have 1550% support and will all support banning of ritual slaughter in Australia.