Gertrude, we have been over the live trade issue, over and over
and over again. There is plenty of information out there. Either
you can raise actual points of reason, or you cannot. If you have
some to raise, do it right here.

If you think building plants is a good idea, nothing is stopping
you from doing so. But do not try to deny farmers the right to
earn a living, or to be monopolised by local processors, who care
about nothing but their own bottom lines. Pastoralists too have
to pay their bills to run their stations. Selling their cattle
for 70% less, in order to fit in with your ideology of the world,
is not a realistic option, dream as you may.

Now fact is, we can analyse the live trade as it is today, quite
well. Handling before going on a boat, has improved dramatically.
Boats have improved dramatically, feed has improved dramatically.
Livestock gain weight on a boat, unlike on a truck, where they
can lose 10% or more of their bodyweight.

Feedlots in countries of destination have improved dramatically.
Those in Indonesia and some in the ME, are as good as or better then
anything in Australia. Now the slaughter loop is being closed too.
Finally the Govt has listed the rules, which is has never done before.
Don't expect people to comply by rules, unless you specify them.
In Kuwait and other markets, slaughter facilities are being
upgraded. That is all happening right now. The rest is frankly
meaningless drivel about what happened 10 years ago or whatever.
It won't win you any points I am afraid. Stick to facts, happening
now.

*Feedlots in countries of destination have improved dramatically.*

Are you sitting down? Here is news.

We dont want feed lots.

The long term view for Australia is Halal & others FREE RANGE FARMS

You want the facts- I am giving you the facts straight up.

I think I might invite Roger on here to debate you ok? I am growing tired of saying the same things.

We have warned the industry over & over again! clean up your acts.

Stop the cruelty. Your biggest opposition comes from the Muslims themselves & not just here but world wide. Your so busy with your head up your@ you dont listen. I admit to having some differences with Patel on the ritual slaughter issue- which will"" be sorted but on everything else we STAND united. We support AA RSPCA & the Australian public.100%
Halal is growing- the world is changing as Roger pointed out.
Your SO ignorant of real facts. I swear I reckon your really in NT. ( Not that WA doesn't have its boof heads.) Roger excluded.

Your WA Minister was warned a year ago- did nothing. Yabby, Halal is growing & going to dominate world wide. We ARE going to do it our way.
Its a done deal, cant you see that. Crikey!

Its not Me"" Or you"" & what we say here that matters.

The bigger players are are making their moves now.

I will say it again the world is changing. Yes it might take a while - but not long. Stop telling ME to invest in plants & get the $ back from MLA and do it yourselves & be snappy about it.
Cruelty must stop NO live exports! Muslims say NO to live exports its not Halal & an insult to the Koran. I will let you know when Roger is free to debate you on OLO- Dont do your silly little disappearing act either
I dont know what your so miserable about Australia has a great future under some sensible ""value adding projects.""
Whats that do I hear you ask?

Hopeless

*We dont want feed lots*

Gertrude feedlots are quite legal and the animals do well. What you
want, frankly does not matter.

*Halal is growing & going to dominate world wide.*

And so? They can bid on our livestock like anyone else. I think
best that buyers of livestock decide what is halal and what not.
Places like Kuwait are quite able to do decide that for themselves
and don't need some hysterical Aussie chick to do it for them.

If the Arabs want to build plants here, they are free to do so.
It is not the role of MLA to build plants. They are essentially
a marketing and r&d company. That goes clean over your head, no
matter how many times I repeat it.

At the moment we have healthy competition in the saleyards. Some
sheep go local, some on boats. We want to keep it that way.
It keeps everyone honest.

*Muslims say NO to live exports*

ROFL Gertrude. Is that why they keep ordering boatloads of sheep
and cattle?

Its really pointless however to argue this with somebody who
wants to ban feedlots. You should go back to your veggie burger
project, somebody on the Gold Coast will buy them.

Hello everybody,

I found more on ritual slaughter in Australia and reinforce my support for
RSPCA and AA. This is plain cruel.

http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content
<http://www.australianislamistmonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=
view&id=4361> &task=view&id=4361

1. Halal food is simply a religious food tax imposed by Muslims on
non-Muslims.
2. Food prices are increased as manufacturers pass this TOTALLY
UNNECESSARY set of extra costs onto unsuspecting consumers.
3. OUR freedom of choice is taken away as food all becomes halal and
more expensive. Failure to provide non-halal food is discrimination against the majority (98%) of Australians.


Muslims do not require halal food at all as they are free to eat anything that isn't deemed haram yet increasingly ALL our food is 'halal.'
The Australian population is being ripped off with the compliance of slaughter houses and manufacturers for they now carryout processes which are inspected by a Muslim and a Muslim group issues a halal certification certificate if it complies with sharia --- and YOU pay for this although YOU, the ordinary Australian does NOT require your food production to comply with sharia and YOU do NOT require halal certification.

Paying a religious food tax to Islamic groups:

The halal certification industry is a big money earner for certain Muslim groups and that money is creamed in part off the Australian public.

An article from 2008 gives an idea of how lucrative 'halal' certification is to Islamic groups -re The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils - (one of about 17 certifying groups often linked to mosques)

(The) 'AFIC is the biggest Islamic umbrella organisation in the country and is made up of dozens of representative Muslim bodies, which sit beneath the nine state and territory councils. It acts in an advisory role to governments and derives most of its income from rent on land that houses Muslim schools across the country, and the certification of halal food.
It manages an annual budget of about $20 million and assets of about $50 million. (O'Brien, 2008 Australian

Come in here to say what I did about killing animals without stunning them first. Been a butcher long time. Worked worked many places seen many things. Now i am still butcher but export world wide too. Be glad to see the end to both,ritual slaughter and live exports.No bloody excuse to treat animals way i saw in those countries. Cant understand any bloke backing those bloody cruel bastards seen it first hand. Read that report you put up girlie good report. Just all of you keep doing good. Me mates are in the industry backing this aa mob. So not all against and reckon this Lyn girl needs a bloody medal.