Yabby

Disagreeing with you is not a personal insult.

Like I said: play the ball not the man.

*You guys are doing neither, except remaining stuck with your wheels spinning and running short on fuel.*

and

*Sometimes I think you get your ideas out of breakfast cereal packets.*

both Ammonite quotes on this thread. If you can't take it back
darling, don't dish it out.

Just before I lose my phone for the night I found this snippet "Senator Ludwig confirmed Australia will encourage but not insist on stunning the animals before they are killed, but did not say when he thinks the trade will resume."
ABC News tonight.

That is not what I would call getting this right. The live export trade will not get too many more chances. Fix this thing properly or lose it, insist on stun guns ya mug!

*Morgan, just because a couple of politicians have introduced a bill,
hardly shows that they understand the economic complexities involved
in the discussion.*

Yabby,

Your right again as always and I should think by now your WA Minister may have found out how it really works while he sat in his room at our expense like a Turkey because nobody would take him to a plant:)

Just like Senator Ludwig ought to have gone trough the proper channels.
Well I suppose he thought he had. Look if you want to make progress you do it through other accreditation authorities.

Ikebal Patel gave the nod to not pre stunning but hes not going to have power for long. Its all over for Ikebal bar the shouting.
Oh BTW Ikebal just weeks ago called for a ban onlive exports in a media release because of this- Now hes on TV wanting to not stun animals even in Australia. Hes lost the plot I am afraid .
Those coming into power in a very short time will be demanding a total ban on live exports and pre stunning.All Animals are to be pre stun in Australia and of course that means Australian Animals in general. So as csteele, said its fix it or lose it.

Looks like it will be the latter.

BTW Yabby,

Um, those few Ministers have the entire support of every Islamic Society in Australia.

Even Ikebal

Why? Because its cruel/ even though some cant agree on stunning- or pre stunning ALL agree the long trips are Haram Cruel

They hate live exports with a passion- all of them.
Been quite in the past - yep but not much longer. We support RSPCA AA and this bill 100%

Goodnight all Sweet Dreams Yabby

Yabby
The other thing you lot have clearly over looked is this; any product or industry system that relies on just one market needs only one thing to go wrong in that market and the production system collapses. The northern Australian live cattle trade, virtually, relies on one market,Indonesia. Indonesia being Indonesia, is well aware of that. Lets look at whats gone wrong then follow that through with the rest of Australia.
Take WA if you like. Same picture. Its costs $100.00 per cow for transport to ships---- WA with its layout needs smaller plants 500 miles apart. But of course the reluctance is strong and the heads of ABCDEF and pastoral associations shoot off their big mouths to their farmer members NO we need live exports.

These grubs NFF Pastoral association and now even ABA have blocked the path of any investors contacting ""their"" farmers. They are rude beyond belief and imop have utterly corrupted the system.
http://justgroundsonline.com/forum/topics/halal-kind-meats-buying-direct?commentId=3535428%3AComment%3A224428&xg_source=msg_com_forum
Yes says Rob pls tell the farmers about off shore people wanting to meet them with view to invest in plants- um deleted. ABA NFF and the rest do not want plants opened from what i see.
There is no fair game for the red meat market through these guys. Its send em live we dont give a stuff its more money from our agents friends . The kick backs and the trail they leave tells me the entire system must close to change. Live exports will have to be banned because they are misleading their members and not allowing investors in. There job was to represent but not make farmers a nanny state-

Dont try calling them to say G,day got some blocks who want to put up 6 plants through WA etc - or they will tell you to P off! That is what they told Saudi investors looking to meet farmers. great

The NFF ABA MLA Ausmeats just to name a few got into bed with live export agents Elders AWB Landmark Wellards etc. Their members got dragged along with them. But you know that already silly me

They tell us in 40 years Australia will be buying all their fuel from overseas. Now given they dont- or Rob Moore appears not to want to discuss plants - or allow anybody else to on this forum - perhaps they ought to re consider talking with the Saudi investors or others about supplying Aussies with fuel instead. That would be a better solution for all concerned. They put their animals on these death ship knowing! full well how they are treated. As Rob Moore said we are NOT farmers!- You got that right Rob.! There not even smart. To take PRIME beef that we cant buy and put it through all of that to sell for just 3 bucks a kilo is crazy. Australia has always been lazy. Years ago we didnt want the dirty job of working with the wool- so we sent the wool off to others to get the jobs and build the industry and value add.
Then they didnt want the dirty job of meat works and little Johnie with his mate Kerry - pushed and put the whole dam sheep this time on the ships just like the wool
So now we have got zip production in Australia and a world wide reputation of the most cruel country in the world.
I think we are done pleading for compassion and common sense. Time to round up a few live exporters and put them on some specially designed ships!
Now to the oil investors-- either way out you go the lot of you live exporters.
You bring shame to every Australian!