Lol @ the tactics some use when their arguement is shot full of holes.
1st they will look for something obscure to argue but when they are unable to justify a point they will accuse you of being someone else or just ignore questions & babble on & try to take pot shots,anything to take away from a valid point...........most people can see through the trash thankfully.

Actually, "Kerryanne" has done a wonderful job on OLO, for she
has made my point for me. Anyone who reads the agricultural forums
would know that they are regularly invaded by similar posters
and no amount of reason or rational debate will affect their
hysteria or lack of reasoning skills. So that is what farmers
are up against, when discussing this issue.

Regardless of the amateurish antics of some minor animal welfare activists, I don't think you can level the same criticisms at outfilts like AA and the RSPCA. Their recent campaign around live exports can only be described as professional and effective, not least because the vast majority of Australians agree with them.

Perhaps if farmers weren't so innately dismissive of animal welfare activists, such organisations wouldn't have been forced to use the tactics they did to achieve almost overnight the objectives they've been trying to negotiate for years.

Yabby does the mainstream Animal Welfare groups a major disservice by asserting disingenuously that the more extreme activists are in any way representative of them.

morganzola
My people dont have the vast $ RSPCA and AA have. However,
I left some relevant information on olo regarding ritual slaughter.
It is a major breakthrough in Australia & brought out to support RSPCA & AA for improving Animal Welfare.
So you are calling the only Muslim Animal Welfare Organization in Australia& history's attempts as amateurish antics. Oh good that ought to help the animals well done. Pls remember I am posting as a member of the public not in a race with AA or anybody else-. Your comments given some of the vital info i have posted in the last few days are purposely offensive & unwarranted. Working on a programe to faze it out- might have been a good idea too - dont you think. Or is Yabby right that the agenda is to stop all aimals being farmed full stop. From my view Yabbys claims are starting to gain momentum.

lets look at Kerry s great crime. I care about animals . Thats it.
Or, is it more- perhaps. Is it that I am seen to be one of the different people who want abattoirs opened in Australia.
And thats the problem.
People who advised the former Prime Minister and look after these accreditation's who can make a real difference you offend.
I doubt very much the animals come first with people like yourselves.

Yabby,

It is my view 'they' will never get Indonesia to any international slaughter standard - just too complex a country. An Australian based animal processing industry that ensures a high standard of animal welfare and a profitable return to producers, would, for me, be an ideal world.

Morgan, if the majority of Australians agreed with AA, then they
would give up eating meat. For as their website makes clear, the
average meat eater consumes around 100 animals per year, that's
how many innocent animals could be spared from cruelty each time
someone makes the decision to switch to a vegetarian diet.

You too could save 100 innocent lives every year.

Meantime reality prevails. Something like 80% of Australians still
buy battery farmed eggs, showing that to most Australians, their
own hip pocket comes before anything and they are hardly in a
position to preach to farmers.

Fact is that AA are pushing for animal liberation, which remains
extreme. Various animal liberation groups and vegan groups are
part of their membership, quite different from animal welfare,
which is the issue that arose in Indonesia.

Farmers had nothing to do with Indonesia, they just pay their levies
of around 100 million a year, which includes money for animal welfare.
The MLA Charter is set by the Minister for Agriculture, ultimately
that decides how much of that can be spent on animal welfare.
As I have pointed out many times, I am all for spending more.

The Indonesians are quite correct. The Australian Govt never bothered
to explain the rules. So it is a political problem, not farmers at
fault.

I find myself in the rare position of supporting yabbys claims.
Look at facts. I posted a media release a few days ago announcing history & victory for Australian Animals. That was the new Muslim Leaders were opposing Petal on ritual slaughter and supporting RSPCA stunning. A HUGE brave step while they cop the flack from other Muslims.!

Not ONE WORD from all these so called Animal Lovers- ?

Yep, I am sure if the industry do read the forum comments THEY would have noticed that too.

I am very sorry for the sake of the animals you ""force me to do this- but ""again"" i point out for 9 years AA were invited to meet Australian Muslim Leaders & Saudi Delegates to discuss the only programe on the table to phase out live with minimum effect on our farmers NO TAKERS?

Lyn was offered to be our Ambassador for Animal Welfare NOT INTERESTED. So you come in here and tell me about unprofessional morganzola- or is it Glenyse.

1 We dont pay media

2 We dont tell people they cant go on TV .
Even the media and said for years- God if only they would let some of the others talk-

Dont you people understand without having a proper proposal to open them here behind you as well! as the footage makes it harder and harder to really get these animals and farmers help.

So morganzola look in the mirror when speaking of amateurish antics.

We are not fund raisers but serious about reopening plants

But thats the real problem isn't it?( I mean apart from your own egos that just have to be the ones who saved the animals.

Let me tell you this much- If you want to save them kill them here and STOP pretending . You have enough $ to get it up.

Roll your sleeves up and get out to farmers.. 2nd thoughts dont - i forgot they kicked u off didnt they.

You want a debate been veggies and main stream representing 80% of the public- you got one bring it on.