Yabby

Grow up. Your posting history is filled with assumptions and denigrations of people - your housewife taunts are particularly odious to many educated and astute women, your generalisations about people who offer quite rational arguments you dismiss as ignorant - I make a couple of humorous ripostes and you act wounded - crocodile tears methinks. A crusty old farmer should be able to take as much as he dishes out - and believe me, I have been very restrained in my responses to your insults.

I guess when a thread has reached this point it is time to bail. I stand by my measured approach to reducing live exports and improving transport conditions, reopening abattoirs and working with the employees of overseas abattoirs to ensure humane slaughter of animals.

Just a final link:

"A Northern Territory MP is pushing for an Alice Springs abattoir to be revamped, following the live export suspension.

The Wamboden abattoir currently only operates one day a week, processing up to 30 camels.

But Member for Braitling Adam Giles says it could temporarily process cattle from producers in Australia's north.

"There's an opportunity to put through about 120 beasts a day, cattle. I think that we should looking to options in the short term, so we can make sure that properties aren't overstocked."

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/201106/s3240651.htm

Yabby.
Its clear to everybody bar you that Ammonite knows more about whats going on than you . If you cant debate a topic get out of the court.
Your personal insults only make you look foolish not the people you toss them at. Btw my cousin Wendy was not banned but told Mr Rob Moore she refused ( after he begged her to) post on just grounds) if he was going to be calling growers on their phones telling me - dont listen etc mostly slurping over a bottle of rum the word has it. Rob apparently also found something on face book written by a Suzanne Caz. Wendy thought the entire direction of Mr Moores comments about this woman disgusting and told him so- and that HKM would no longer be posting. Interestingly however there were about 50 enquiers from farmers interested but Moore wiped those quickly. I once heard the worst forum owner was in QLD but it appears the red neck live exporters take first prize for gagging freedom of speech in Australia.
Dont forget the name - just grounds

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As Ammonite said to you Yabby

"A Northern Territory MP is pushing for an Alice Springs abattoir to be revamped, following the live export suspension.

The Wamboden abattoir currently only operates one day a week, processing up to 30 camels.

But Member for Braitling Adam Giles says it could temporarily process cattle from producers in Australia's north.

"There's an opportunity to put through about 120 beasts a day, cattle. I think that we should looking to options in the short term, so we can make sure that properties aren't overstocked."

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/201106/s3240651.htm
Posted by Ammonite, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 10:04:47 AM

Ammonite, indeed I showed that you do not practise what you preach.
The fact that you are capable of extreme vitriol does not change
that. Hypocrite.

All you have shown so far is your naivety about the industry, for
you have raised no issue which the industry itself has not
addressed. Pointing that out, is quite fair and reasonable, even
if the truth hurts.

You and Gertrude clearly forget that we operate a free enterprise
economy. If there is an abattoir anywhere which can handle cattle,
they are free to buy them from pastoralists and process them. That
is between the buyer and the seller, not the job of the Govt.

Anyone can go and build an abattoir and offer to buy cattle.
Gertrude, an asute businessman from anywhere, will do that through
proper channels, like Govt development authorities etc, he will
hardly rely on a Gertrude. But continue with your conspiracy theories.

Csteele, what Australia has done so far is show that we are a
sovereign risk to deal with. The Indonesians correctly point out
that Ludvig should have had the courtesy to inform his Indonesian
counterpart before introducing a blanket ban. They also say that
they were never told the rules, again a Govt failure.

Australia cannot in good concience enforce stun guns, whilst
Australia does not enforce that rule here. It does not. Quite
a number of abattoirs are licensed to use the knife. Ludwig
would be aware that he will have some of the Islamic lobby and
the Jewish lobby jumping up and down, if he tries to change that.
Meantime all around country Australia people dress their own sheep
and they don't do it with stun guns. I've seen plenty of vets use
a knife, when they are about to do an autopsy.

So realpolitik remains. As there is an urgent need to resolve the
issue, Ludwig is pushing for humane slaughter, but IMHO most
export companies in their own closed systems will install stun guns
anyhow, as Elders and others have already done. The traceback system
makes sense, as if there is a problem it can be shown which company
poses that problem. As it is, Elders already own their own abattoir,
feedlot and boat, their system is ok, but yet it was still their
cattle that were stranded in Port Hedland, for no good reason at all.

*Australia does not enforce that rule here.*

Press Release
The Australian Federation of Islamic Societies (AFIS) and Halal Kind Meets (HKM) Animal Welfare Organization and Halal accreditation Authority strongly oppose the export of live cattle abroad and support the process of stunning the cattle before halal or non-halal slaughtering. The process of stunning should be applied to the animal while it is standing on its feet. The intensity of stunning should be such that if the animal is left un-slaughtered it should be able to get up and walk away.
In order to minimize the level of stress and anxiety to the cattle it is imperative that when an animal is being slaughtered the other animals should be isolated and kept away.
Stunning is the most humane way of making the animals unconscious before slaughtering and it ensures that they suffer the least pain.
This method of stunning complies with the States and Federal legislation's.

All of God’s creatures deserve compassion and humane treatment!

The President of Muslims Australia (AFIC), Mr Ikebal Patel expressed serious concern and sadness at media reports and images of cruel treatment of Australian cattle in Indonesian abattoirs. Mr Patel stated, “Islam places great importance on the care and consideration of all God’s creatures. It implies a duty to animal welfare, both during the rearing and during the slaughter.”
Muslims Australia (AFIC) is committed to animal welfare in Halal accreditation services and has partnered with Halal Kind Meats to reinforce this message. The Halal Kind Meat concept incorporates the interests of rural industry leaders, animal rights groups, AFIC Halal certification services, all realise potential prosperity combined with compassion and good business sense to achieve equitable outcomes for all, said Mr Patel.
Muslims Australia (AFIC), during its National Federal Congress meeting in 2008 called on the Australian Government to cease live exports immediately. AFIC Federal Congress members agreed live cattle/sheep export is traumatic for the animal during the journey and as evidenced, cruel inhumane and un-Islamic at their destination. Muslims Australia (AFIC) again calls on the government to cease live exports and promote Halal slaughter in Australia under the supervision of Islamic authorities and the AQIS.
Mr Patel emphasized the leading and important role Muslims Australia (AFIC) undertakes with the Department of Primary Industry and AQIS to ensure humane and compassionate treatment of all livestock is enforced in order to comply with Halal standards throughout the process of Halal slaughter and the premium status of Australian Meat industry.
Mr Patel also welcomed and endorsed comments by Mr Lukman Hakim from Indonesia’s peak Islamic body, Indonesia Ulema Council (MUI), who stated the inhumane treatment of animals in Indonesian abattoirs is “sinful and would be investigated”.
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