*Australia does not enforce that rule here.*

Gertude, you know full well that I am correct. The opinions of
some Muslims are exactly that.

Fact. Some abattoirs operate in Australia without stunning.
Don't try and deny it when you previously admitted it.

MOTION 3 FROM ISLAMIC COUNCIL AUSTRALIA

“That this 44th AFIC Congress declares that the practice of live animal (cattle, sheep and goats)
exports from Australia is inherently cruel and is contrary to Islamic teachings on the treatment of Animals.

The Congress calls upon the Federal Government to immediately cease the issuing of export permits
for this trade and introduce legislation into Federal Parliament to permanently ban live animal exports.

The Congress urges all State Council and Member Societies to participate in a campaign with like minded organizations to achieve this goal’’

Hehe Gertrude, you mean they want all the levies paid here to them, instead?

Fact. Australia has some abattoirs who don't use stunning,
some operated by Muslims.

Yabby,
The devil is in the detail. If you look closer you will see it
F or S Get it.?

Posted both to demonstrate that on the Ban Live Exports there is *complete unity.

When 4 Corners went to air, sharing the vision of horror and revulsion the majority, of the people had a distinct feeling of déjà vu.

Next raid from Animals Australia & RSPCA is probably already in cutting room doing Indonesia or maybe @@@ There’s a thought?

There are hundreds- no thousands of people and members of different organizations world wide taking footage with heaps of inside workers.

You would be silly if you thought( I will state the obvious ) that Gertrude and many "friends"didnt have accesses world wide. So you see Yabby dearest to quote me - it really is all over bar the shouting(& yes there will be plenty of that.)

We question what livestock producers have been doing with ‘their’ organizations.?

The pity of it all is the real farmers that had been misled will be effected. And for that purpose only the calls for an immediate has been lifted to fazing out within three years. ALL live exports. You will have your white wash inquiry again but- Oops! whats happens when the public get another lot of footage before them. The Government need to consider that like..
""very real"" risk.

Abuse and questioning motives or even the authenticity of their footage will be met with public derision and ridicule.
Just like you thought it was so smart for those people rocking up to protests- Wrong move. All that did was disgust the public at the lack of concern for their animals- & rightfully so.
We* of course know they were not farmers but middle grubs with vetted interests.

The problem with the arrogant industry apart from barbaric cruelty being a daily business, is they dont understand Halal or the word Halal accreditation's- or how that world works.

As the rise of Halal they will import less- involve their own system.
Your guys with ‘their’ industry were never anything but a disposable commodity.

Yabby, you remember correctly! Yes, I am very aware of one of the major underlying issues being profitability. Kerryanne completely misses the point about why there are not more Australian abbatoirs running is profitability. Workers need to be paid at a minimum wage, and if you want them to be there when slaughtering demand is there you need to pay them year round, whether there is work or not. Minimum conditions need to be supplied, which is also costly. Seasonality is the main reason why businesses in the remoter areas of Australia (including WA) cannot make enough of a buck to warrant opening. Even in the populous East, meatworks are closing due to unprofitability.

Kerryanne, you miss so many points, where should I start.

The wool processing industry was moved offshore for the same reason that a lot of other manufacturing has been - Australian government imposed minimum conditions made it too expensive. Its not workers refusing to work there because of the dirty noisy work (ever worked in a shearing shed or a dairy?). Its because of restrictions imposed on wages, conditions, safety, environmental standards etc. Some of these things are very morally correct, but the simple economics of it means that our producers and businesses lose out to imports from countries where those conditions are not imposed. I dont like this anymore than you do but its the nature of business. Very few of the morally elite that cry out about what Australian businesses are doing to their workers, or doing to the environment have any qualms about buying the cheapest products that they can. Its completely hypocritical, but then that seems to be the nature of the human condition.

And BTW, if you read the headline of the thread, halal is not mentioned. You have introduced it to this discussion. To say the ban is about halal is being deceptive, as Yabby has pointed out there are halal abbatoirs in this country, some use stunning some dont. Some in Indonesia use stunning, some dont. The fuss has been over some practices in some abbatoirs,not all, or halal.

Country Gal, great to read your informed post. We need more informed
country women to post on OLO! There are quite alot of them on the
internet, just not on this site.

Gertrude, ultimately you cannot win, because everything you believe
is based on emotion and not reason. Ultimately reason will prevail.
The public might be hoodwinked for a short time, but that is all.

If live exports were to be banned tommorrow, by the next change
of Govt, they would be back. Meantime the public would see farmers
going broke, lifestock shot with no place to go, the cost to
the economy and jobs, the great animal welfare practises where
its done right, not just a biased vegan campaign video which was
hardly factual of the overall industry.

You people have spent years and countless money on your obsession
to end the live trade. If you had spent that on installing some
humane equipment in the third world, countless animals would benefit.
None of you have seemingly bothered. So alot of that suffering
is on your heads, as you could have done something, but did not.
If its not Australian well bad luck. As I've pointed out before,
you are basing your complete argument on a false premise.