I promise this is my last post here and clearly state I will continue to be a refugee from PALE and its latest reincarnation.
First voted Banjo thanks.
If readers care to look back, at threads like the car park.
Or car park two.
20 ,many more threads started by PALE, you will see much of KerryAnne posting style there.
From the near crawling verbal arm over the shoulder, the pro then anti RSPCA AA posts.
I think you could be forgiven for thinking PALE exists more to set up its often quoted Halal meat export business than halt animal cruelty.
Malaysia was given as heart of the future business how do the cattle get there? first class airline seats?
Its love affair with the meat industry union is shown as a positive, yet that union,I have been a member, is extreme left AND CRAFTS LIES to gain advantage.
Banjo yabby and I attract insults like exposed meat will flys, but truth is the big country never was or will be just our city's.
I remind my fellow realists, this debate has been fought, we have had peace here for a time.
See the links,in KerryAnne first posts under this name here, seemingly trying to get us to come visit another forum.
Just maybe in replying to this group we give them air, I will not do so.
Good and wise people can be found in any group, I do not see them here defending animals armed with understanding.

Banjo
Yes you are correct the Australian Muslim leaders would long term prefer Animals were slaughtered *here ad pre stun under their Australian Halal accreditation Society's. In fact The Australian Muslim Leaders passed a motion in Congress in 2008 and lobbied the federal Government to Ban live exports themselves. They asked the Federal Government to work on fazing eventually export ALL Halal from Australia plants under Australian standards of Halal accreditation's. Australian Halal accreditation authority also wish for now live exports to continue and to humane accreditation using updated equipment into Indonesia & Malaysia. Malaysia is well positioned to be the Halal hub of the world. Exporting from their to ME Halal accredited products and elsewhere. That sorts out all the problems and allows live exports to continue-.

*Malaysia was given as heart of the future business how do the cattle get there?*
Belly, Wellards normally do those runs-
Ask Yabby ships! How do u think they get to Saudi?
You have been constantly aggressive to me. Dont make me push that button.

Well said csteele,

Nobody is trying harder than us to resume the live trade with proper accreditation's for farmers and animals.
but these guys keep shooting themselves in the foot! by showing the public they dont care about the cruelty and want business as usual- BIG MISTAKE!
If its not fixed with a proper Halal Authority involved for AU Animals more footage will appear after the inquiry and then the public will demand a complete end.
No Government will be able to smooth it over-- Its their funeral. They SHOULD be screaming about the cruelty if they want public onside-- but its their funeral.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/animals/slaughterhouse-operator-apologises-for-cruelty-20110601-1fgrl.html

That article explained the whole thing quite well and also the
solutions. The country's top religous authority has declared
the cruelty as sinful and accepts stun guns. That is what matters.

In Australia various Islamic groups squabble about accreditation,
for I gather a levy to them is paid on every head, which would
add up to serious money for jam each year.

Ammonite
Is not far off the mark- quite reasonable and fair but 20 years ahead of time. Of course Ammonite one day the Abattoirs will reopen again in Australia and the Muslim people will drive that themselves. It will be again sorted out by way of accreditation's with MOUs and JV in our language. For now and probably always we look to Malaysia to play a big role. I the mean time we have a brand new Islamic council being built due to open in 5 weeks. You will here about it via media,. It will be opened by a Minister and we will work united with each state of Australia with other Halal accreditation Authoitys. We oppose Animals not being pre stun. For the first time unity on this- bar a few old timers.. Its all over bar the shouting. AFIS Australian federation Islamic Society HKM programe will respect Animals.
Heading this -
1. Dr Ameer Ali- Former advisor to the Howard Government on Islamic affairs
2. Dr Munir Hussain-10 years experience with AFIC and 11 years in SICHMA on Halal products
3. Mr Faisal Muhammed- Halal meat supervisor in Queensland for 10 years
4. Mr Assad Elasic – President of Islamic Coordinating Council of Victoria (ICCV)there are others but space.

All working under the Halal Kind Meats Animal Welfare Organization with the founder of HKM PALE. It is the only Muslim Animal Welfare Organization in Australia
Australian Muslims do not tolerate Animal Cruelty and the secrets in whom does the accreditation's. Same as in Indonesia.

Banjo I have done my best not to use codes and we want this sorted for our farmers asap and the Animals.

Yabby,

Spot on! You do understand. Yes the squabbles that has gone on for years. Not so much money ATM TBO . Its more about lining up for whats to come. Halal in five years will be huge. On top of that its the old timers( some of them) still battle not to pre stun and you cant shift them. Most spend their time on a plane traveling from country to country armed with the Koran screaming at the poor guys for d the accreditation's at the importing side. These people also give funding to different Islamic Councils throughout Australia. Its all a bit of a nightmare. I will give you one example. Egypt wanted a huge order of Halal meat. They wanted them slaughtered using our bolt method- good. One of our Aussie accreditation guys refused saying it wasn't Halal. Hopeless!

AFIS will be also looking after other Non Muslim countries.
They are Australian people wanting the best for Australia and humane treatment of Animals. AFIS isn't just for Muslims its for pro Australia and dealing with anybody from any country as it should be.

I never ever respond to threats by running away!
Belly do not make me press that button?
Go for it Gertrude, past threats of legal action from you/PALE are here on record.
In just your last two posts here you tell me clearly who you are.
I now retreat OLO and its well being demand I no longer respond to your threats.
Never, not ever,seen any individual or group threaten so openly before.
Press your button but understand I have no reverse gear and no intent to run.